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Old 04-12-2012, 09:51 AM   #571 (permalink)
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Well for a dumb rear axle thing car it does pretty well. Anyways, don't most modern cars handle like pigs?
That's kinda like saying "well for someone with a broken leg in cast this guy runs pretty well"...
And I disagree, there are modern cars that do just fine in this group and price bracket, the 370Z for example - that car works amazingly well on track right out of the box.

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Not saying much, again, this is like saying "from this group of drunk guys this one is the most sober one"... you wouldn't want this guy to be your designated driver

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The BRZ finally on the Subaru site.

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imo frs front end is better looking than the brz
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And I disagree, there are modern cars that do just fine in this group and price bracket, the 370Z for example - that car works amazingly well on track right out of the box.
Assuming you add an oil cooler?
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imo frs front end is better looking than the brz
I do like that front end a little better. The BRZ looks like it's smiling. The Toyota looks angry.
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Nice

I think the BRZ is a little more basic looking, which I happen to find more appealing, but that looks great!
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Bad example subaru... crossing a solid white line? stay in your lane

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Not sure if this has been posted...

2013 Scion FR-S gets first dyno run

173 horsepower at 7,000 RPM and 143 pound-feet of torque at 2,500

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That's a pretty low-rpm torque peak. Definitely not a bad thing.
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FUCK. YEAH.

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I would do $25 for it as well, but definitely not $30. Sad thing is that people will pay $30 for this, just like some people did with the Mugen Si.

I have been reading around a lot & even though Scion claims no haggle pricing, it seems like Toyota does let the dealer set the prices. The FR-S is going to get a similar markup as well.

It doesn't really matter to me right now. I'll be getting one later on when the hype goes away. I'm talking at the end of June 2013 or 2014 when they're trying to clear them out for the next model year. I need to see what issues come up for the first model year.

There won't be an additional dealer markup on the Scion version. It would be contrary to all Scion dealer agreements. At worst they may add some accessories, like wheels and tires, but not a markup.
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Scion is it going to add anything. Nor markup the price. Scion is a base car company that strips everything down to bare essential needs. And you have to purchase everything from scion as a dealer or company option. There goal target buyers are, first time 17 year old buyers that mommy and daddy will cosign and probably pay for. I remember when the xb xa and tc came from the factory with manual locks steering and windows and no abs. Only a am/fm radio.

That's why scions are listed so cheap. Toyota is smart to advertise the way they do. Draw them in, give them a fully loaded car to test drive, then once it's a commited sale, slam them with all the fees and charges for all the options. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Lets see if anyone buys my car.

Then I'll go get an frs.

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I'll be the first to say this isn't the most reputable source, but at least it's a comparison from the same source.

http://www.insideline.com/subaru/brz...and-video.html

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...shoot-out.html

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BRZ:
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 69.1
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) ESC ON 66.6
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.92
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) ESC ON 0.88


2011 mustang gt

Skid pad (200-ft. diameter)lateral g: 0.93
Slalom, 6x100 ft. (mph): 70.3

And of course, we're talking stock for stock... otherwise there's no point in even comparing. Just throw a v8 in the BRZ and call it a day.
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I'll be the first to say this isn't the most reputable source, but at least it's a comparison from the same source.

http://www.insideline.com/subaru/brz...and-video.html

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...shoot-out.html

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Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 69.1
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) ESC ON 66.6
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.92
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) ESC ON 0.88


2011 mustang gt

Skid pad (200-ft. diameter)lateral g: 0.93
Slalom, 6x100 ft. (mph): 70.3

And of course, we're talking stock for stock... otherwise there's no point in even comparing. Just throw a v8 in the BRZ and call it a day.
Already ahead of you. Every team using them in drift and time attack, are throwing v8 Chevys in them. The stock motor was a failed platform from the start and I called it. At least there are already turbo kits and a few engine mods floating around. I doubt any real big number gains yet. Thank god the STI is coming out.
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^ That's not really a fair judge of a bad motor (not saying it is or isn't), but how many teams in pro drifting aren't swapping v8's into their cars? That speaks more to the way pro drifting is going and not so much to the quality of the motor. I haven't seen any TT fr-s' yet, so I can't really say anything about that.
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I'll be the first to say this isn't the most reputable source, but at least it's a comparison from the same source.

http://www.insideline.com/subaru/brz...and-video.html

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...shoot-out.html

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BRZ:
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 69.1
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) ESC ON 66.6
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.92
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) ESC ON 0.88


2011 mustang gt

Skid pad (200-ft. diameter)lateral g: 0.93
Slalom, 6x100 ft. (mph): 70.3

And of course, we're talking stock for stock... otherwise there's no point in even comparing. Just throw a v8 in the BRZ and call it a day.
You forgot the part where the Mustang costs $39k for the Brembo & 19" wheel option. That's why the Mustang achieved those skid pad & slalom numbers. At that price range, I'd rather get an EVO or STi & call it a day. The new Mustangs are nice, but still rather have a cheaper Toybaru.

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I'll be the first to say this isn't the most reputable source, but at least it's a comparison from the same source.
What makes you say InsideLine "isn't the most reputable source?" They seem to be way more transparent than most testers, even if there are flaws in the testing (which exist in virtually all tests).

That said, those are pretty impressive times when you consider the tires on the FR-S/BRZ are supposed to be designed for long life and fuel economy over maximum grip. A simple tire swap would probably make a significant difference in those max and transitional grip measurements.
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Already ahead of you. Every team using them in drift and time attack, are throwing v8 Chevys in them. The stock motor was a failed platform from the start and I called it. At least there are already turbo kits and a few engine mods floating around. I doubt any real big number gains yet. Thank god the STI is coming out.
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What makes you say InsideLine "isn't the most reputable source?" They seem to be way more transparent than most testers, even if there are flaws in the testing (which exist in virtually all tests).

That said, those are pretty impressive times when you consider the tires on the FR-S/BRZ are supposed to be designed for long life and fuel economy over maximum grip. A simple tire swap would probably make a significant difference in those max and transitional grip measurements.
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TRD '86 in the house.

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I'll be the first to say this isn't the most reputable source, but at least it's a comparison from the same source.

http://www.insideline.com/subaru/brz...and-video.html

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...shoot-out.html

For you lazy bums:

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Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 69.1
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) ESC ON 66.6
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.92
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) ESC ON 0.88


2011 mustang gt

Skid pad (200-ft. diameter)lateral g: 0.93
Slalom, 6x100 ft. (mph): 70.3

And of course, we're talking stock for stock... otherwise there's no point in even comparing. Just throw a v8 in the BRZ and call it a day.

Well these slalom tests mean jack crap until proper tires are fitted to the BR-Z or FRS. Those prius tires are a joke.

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^ That's not really a fair judge of a bad motor (not saying it is or isn't), but how many teams in pro drifting aren't swapping v8's into their cars? That speaks more to the way pro drifting is going and not so much to the quality of the motor. I haven't seen any TT fr-s' yet, so I can't really say anything about that.
A "TT Fr-s"? When have you ever seen a competitive, or worth while, twin turbo 2.0l engine?

Sorry just had to point out the sillyness in that idea.

I agree with the v8 thing though. Everyone in pro-drifting uses v8s. Its just more reliable, easily replaced, and they have an awesome power band. I think it also helps stop certain platforms from having a huge advantage. Until they start implementing different weight restrictions based on what motor and power level is used, everyone will use v8s because it just makes too much sense. They need to adopt stricter car rules.
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A "TT Fr-s"? When have you ever seen a competitive, or worth while, twin turbo 2.0l engine?

Sorry just had to point out the sillyness in that idea.

TT doesn't stand for twin turbo you noob. It stands for Time Trial.
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I thought BestMotoRing was done, but here's Tsuchiya and Hattori running a BRZ and a GT86 against an NC2.

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I'm so glad that it performs better than a NC Roadster. Though I do know how Best motoring can be biased at times..

It's also a bit funny how that race is like mimicking the "claim to fame" that Keiichi Tsuchiya had by drifting to end a race.

Still, a cool video nonetheless.
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What!!?? BestMotoRing?!?! Sweeeeet!

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Looking at the comments from the video, it's probably not BMI, but something else. Just so happens to have Hattori and Tsuchiya.
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Looking at the comments from the video, it's probably not BMI, but something else. Just so happens to have Hattori and Tsuchiya.
Still sweet. They need to make more vids. Love watching those shootouts, I've seen ALL the BMI stuff.

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As much as I love the 86, I gotta admit that the BMI vid is irritating to watch.

Hate how the Miata is being shown up like that. Wish the results were closer. Wish Mazda had gone just slightly more hardcore-er with the setup.

The present day cred of the Miata line (whatever bit of it from those that can even see it) is built on the backs of folks like here and there who mod the sht, and track the sht of the cars to great effect. Stock to stock is not a pretty sight and never was. Help us out a lil Mazda. Man things up a tad from here on out okay?
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