eunos and jdm pics

sideshow · 05-18-2006, 10:18 AM

here are some pics from a site i belong to in japan check out eunos and jdm cars

ill post more later enjoy

superboosted · 05-18-2006, 11:11 AM

C'mon sideshow.....we want NB's...

superboosted · 05-18-2006, 11:13 AM

more..

Sirnixalot · 05-18-2006, 11:47 AM

lol @ the ibc pix

that white NB is hot though

timallen · 05-18-2006, 12:24 PM

Guys: I'm not getting all Miata.net on you, but please post these pics in the ALBUM so that they are all in one place and everyone can find them without having to sort through posts.

superboosted · 05-18-2006, 02:00 PM

Can you move this there?

Phatmiata · 05-18-2006, 02:52 PM

You gonna import some Roadsters from Japan?

PhatMiata

superboosted · 05-18-2006, 03:34 PM

We can;]

timallen · 05-18-2006, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superboosted @ Thu 18 May, 15:00

Can you move this there?

Sure.

freedomgli · 05-18-2006, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phatmiata @ Thu May 18, 2006 3:52 pm

You gonna import some Roadsters from Japan?

Not gonna happen. At least not until the year 2014. That is unless:

You live in Canada, in which case it's pretty easy to import 1991 or older model year vehicles.
You plan on paying a RI/ICI thousands and thousands of dollars to certify it compliant.
It's coming in on a temporary basis (maximum 1 year) and the vehicles is owned by a foreign national, foreign diplomat, etc.
You're a manufacturer registered with DOT. Manufacturers can bring a vehicle in to the US for up to 1 year to conduct testing or R&D. Or, as the manufacturer, you could just certify it compliant but unless it meets all current standards it would be illegal to say it is in compliance when it is not.
You call it a race car. Race cars can be imported and used here for one year and extensions may be granted for not more than 5 years from date of import. But you must request a prior letter of approval from DOT and show them what makes it a race car (e.g. lack features associated with safe and practical public road use). A car imported under HS-7 Box 7 (or Box8) can never be used on the street.
You plan on breaking the law.

For all temporary imports you'll be required to provide proof of export or destruction. A Miata cannot be legally imported to the US on a permanent basis as a race car (Box8) unless you can prove to DOT that it was originally manufactured as a racing vehicle and not a road car converted into a race car. It gets a little fuzzy if you call the Miata an assemblage of automobile parts instead of an automobile. Removing the engine from the car, shipping them in separate containers, and putting it back together again once it clears customs would technically still be illegal. Now if you put in a SBC or 13B you could call it a homebuilt car.

edit: remove stupid emoticons that didn't show up in preview

LagunaMiata · 05-18-2006, 04:25 PM

There's a guy in Wilmington who AXs a '90 that he from Japan. He bought the car when he was stationed there in the Navy.
We talked at the event a few weeks back. He spent over $5000 getting the car legal for the US!
I'll see if I can find pics...

LagunaMiata · 05-18-2006, 04:29 PM

One here.... http://public.fotki.com/kestrelracin.../es_14_01.html

sideshow · 05-18-2006, 04:52 PM

we have one here are some pics from carlisle of it

freedomgli · 05-18-2006, 06:23 PM

I see it's on dealer plates. You say "we" so I assume it at least partially belongs to you. How did you get it into the US and legally registered for street use?

I'll have to check the docket to see what the details are regarding importing a Mazda "Miata". According to NHTSA, a 1990-93 Mazda "Miata" is eligible for importation to the US under VSP Eligibility Number 184. "VSP" eligibility numbers are assigned to vehicles that are decided to be eligible under 49 U.S.C. § 30141(a)(1)(A), based on a petition from a manufacturer or registered importer which establishes that a substantially similar U.S.-certified vehicle exists. Usually in this case only minor things like speedometers (kmh to mph) and lights (DOT markings) need to swapped to certify them compliant. Unfortunately, the petition and response (Docket No. 96-81) are not located online and a manual paper search must be conducted to find out the details.

I'm curious which RI submitted the petition to NHTSA (a manufacturer almost never does this since they want to protect their factory authorized distribution network), what else is needed to bring the substantially similar vehicle into compliance, and whether that RI is still in business and willing to import them today. At this point, without reviewing the docket, I would say that only LHD Mazda "Miata" vehicles are eligible for importation since the eligibility list doesn't specifically allow RHD. While there is no specific restriction on importing a right-hand drive vehicle, these may not be imported under eligibility decisions based on the existence of substantially similar U.S.-certified left-hand drive vehicles. At any rate, despite the fact that NHTSA has determined it to be eligible for importation, a Mazda "Miata" may ONLY be imported under bond and by a RI unless it meets one of the other conditions I stipulated above (race car, foreigner, etc.). Also, many eligiblity petitions are only valid for the RI who submitted it. If a different RI wants to import a vehicle, it must independently submit its own petition to NHTSA showing how the vehicle can be brought into compliance with the applicable regulations.

roadsternut · 05-18-2006, 06:43 PM

I looked into this several years ago, bringing a Roadster into the US. The icensed importer gave me an estimate; tey reckoned a conservative $10k, and that doesn't include crash-testing. A heck of a lot is needed to get airbags and extra emissions controls into the car. This isn't work you can do, or any old garage; only NHTSA-licenced places can do this work, and there aren't many. A least 2 identical MY cars will be needed for crash testing. I guess a dealer might be willing to stump up the cost for this, but unlike a Skyline, these cars aren't really worth anything.

I can only assume whoever owns the old Vspec pictured had somehow persuaded some dimwit that it was some kind of rare edition.

There are a number of rhd MX5s in the US (and MGFs!), but these have been brought in on a temporary basis by British Servicemen on long term secondments. But they stay on UK tags, such as this RAF guy's MG:
http://www.mgcars.org.uk/news/news228.html

timallen · 05-18-2006, 11:26 PM

You guys seem to know a lot about this.

Why does the government make it so damn difficult?

I mean, crash testing a car that is also sold here, just because it's RHD. It's going to react the same, isn't it?

freedomgli · 05-19-2006, 12:55 AM

The government makes it so hard to be fair to all the manufacturers who build and sell new cars. If the system made it super easy to import cars our roads would be littered with scrap heaps that polluted and were less safe and there'd be no incentive for the real players in the market to abide by the rules. Remember, these standards are just minimum levels of performance anyways. It's like flair. Sure, you only need 15 pieces but do you want the bare minimum in (safety) performance?

You don't necessarily have to crash test vehicles to show they meet the standard but you do need to support the petition with some sort of engineering or scientific data and crash testing is often the easiest way to do this.

sideshow · 05-19-2006, 07:17 AM

it was already in the us.. im thinking a former dignitary car. it was from wash dc.. we picked it up as chance just luck i would say.. it was federalized and given a vin. not by us but by the former owner.. so someone has legalized at least one. which would mean that more can be.. i would assume

Bryan · 05-19-2006, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freedomgli @ Fri May 19, 2006 12:55 am

The government makes it so hard to be fair to all the manufacturers who build and sell new cars. If the system made it super easy to import cars our roads would be littered with scrap heaps that polluted and were less safe and there'd be no incentive for the real players in the market to abide by the rules. Remember, these standards are just minimum levels of performance anyways. It's like flair. Sure, you only need 15 pieces but do you want the bare minimum in (safety) performance?

You don't necessarily have to crash test vehicles to show they meet the standard but you do need to support the petition with some sort of engineering or scientific data and crash testing is often the easiest way to do this.

Your point's well taken, but...geez...$5k? On a car that's only worth maybe that? #-o

timallen · 05-19-2006, 07:59 AM

I like the flair reference! HAHA! =D>

freedomgli · 05-19-2006, 09:39 AM

The more I think about it the more I think that registered importers who say they have to crash test one or more examples of the vehicle before it can be imported are just looking for more money. In reality, the RI has no intention of crash testing it. In fact, they'll probably half-ass the conversion anyways to save time and money and only change the components that are most visible and obvious. I'm surprised that a foreign diplomat had the vehicle certified compliant and that it was assigned a 17-digit VIN since they can import vehicles for personal use without modification. Do you have the DOT and EPA paperwork from the RI/ICI that either certifies it compliant or exempt?

Phatmiata · 05-19-2006, 09:45 AM

Ill bet some US-Military folks can bring them over and register them in the USA with much less hassle.

sideshow · 05-19-2006, 09:51 AM

there are markings on the car(substitute us vin applied to the dash and in the engine compartment.. the speedo was changed to mph from km. we have recently aquired to sell on our car lot a 91 canadian car with no airbags and a speedo in km.. that also has a us vin and title

freedomgli · 05-19-2006, 10:14 AM

I'm not saying this is the case with either of your cars, but I think that as our cars age and cheap junkers can be found in the US with clean paperwork I imagine we'll see more and more Roadsters driven over the border with their "new" US VINs already in place. This used to be common practice among old MGs, Triumhs, etc. where people would get an earlier title and mfr. plate to put on their post '73 cars. There are people with file folders full of titles and mfr./VIN plates that belonged to cars that are long gone due to rust, salvage, etc.

freedomgli · 05-19-2006, 10:23 AM

They don't call it a gray market for no reason. 17-digit VINs can be obtained both legitiately and illegitimately and even a "legitimate" 17-digit VIN is no guarantee that the vehicle is here legally. A substitute VIN is a good sign that the vehicle is legit since it should also say who imported it and all the paperwork can be traced. The difficulty I see with importing a Canadian car is that only cars originally sold in Canada will have a 17-digit VIN. All the Eunos Roadsters imported to Canada under the 15 year rule won't have one. But even with a 17-digit Candadian VIN the vehicle probably won't show up in your insurance company's nor your state DMV's computer records system since they rely on NICB records. When your insurance company / DMV figure out what's really going on they'll likely demand to see proof that the vehicle is in compliance with all applicable laws which means showing them a valid DOT and EPA paperwork from the RI/ICI. Vehicles imported here on a temporary basis by foreigners usually keep their foreign registration.

freedomgli · 05-19-2006, 10:26 AM

But like everything there are loop holes. Combined with the general lack of enforcement the only thing keeping the system together is people's fear of life-crippling lawsuits.

sideshow · 05-19-2006, 11:02 AM

i totally agree with you. both are legal. fact that we have titles etc. some states are eaier than you can imagine for legalizing cars. as you stated there are ways of bypassing everything.. and a different note. we also have 2 skyline 1-r32 gtst and a r33 spec v.

freedomgli · 05-19-2006, 11:06 AM

I love straight sixes. I love AWD. I love Skylines.

kepani · 05-24-2006, 02:34 PM

aside from all of the safety regulations for crash testing and importing requirements...

...just look at the seat position...

a friend of mine has a right hand drive honda here in the us. though it is such a novelty, it is DIFFICULT to drive. when making left turns at an intersection, it is difficult to see oncoming traffic. many times, driving that car around is a crapshoot.

though i love rhd cars because of the "no one has it coolness", it doesn't make any sense to have one here...from a safety standpoint.

if you've ever driven a rhd car, i'm sure you'd agree - it's not made for our roads...

kepani-who's still enjoying the pictures of the nice miatas above.

roadsternut · 05-24-2006, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timallen @ Fri May 19, 2006 4:26 am

You guys seem to know a lot about this.

Why does the government make it so damn difficult?

I mean, crash testing a car that is also sold here, just because it's RHD. It's going to react the same, isn't it?

The reason I was given was to check the collapse of the pedal box. Plus there are siginifcant differences in crash worthiness between some US-market cars and others. There was a problem, for instance, with the original model Range Rover. This was a model that was first sold around about 1970, and remained essentially unchanged (structurally) until its demise around about 1994. When the Range Rover was finally introduced into the US around about 1987, some importers brought in European-spec Range Rovers; to the casual eye, they appeared identicl to US models, except for some minor cosmetic changes. But read this newsletter to see the safety-related item that was changed for US models:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...s/mviinl02.htm

Interesting list of approved/"disapproved" vehicles:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...t06202005.html

Skyline import info; looks like you guys will no longer ger R32s..
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...s/news027.html

When I read through the newsletters sent out to importers, I get the impression that:
[a]. Imports of greys into the US in the 1980s was pretty much unregulated. I guess back then, imports of German cars was pretty popular. Conversions that were carried out were often fraudulant; not only putting cars on the streets that do not meet US safety standards, but also presumably defrauding customers who paid big bucks to get a US-legal exotic. Thats why that whole industry became regulated. Later on, you can see why it must still be regulated.
[b] The NHTSA is continually trying to streamline the process; making compliance procedures clearer, or issuing notices of reduction in need for crash testing on certain models. This is presumably as a result of amassing actual crash data, or getting documentary evidence from the manufacturers
[c] There are still unscrupulous importers about. We all know of the illegal Elises imported. One of the more recent newsletters describes a Skyline importer pulling a fast one. I see the prices of imported Skylines in the US. They are horrific, compared to the actual price that they cost in Japan. The Skyline model range is complicated; its easy to pass off a GTS as a GTR to all but the most die hard enthusiast. The importer presumably hides behind the fact these cars need a lot of work to make safe for the US. One importer clearly wasn't.

05-18-2006, 10:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
sideshow Miata Master Join Date: May 2006 Location: Northeastern PA Posts: 2,013	eunos and jdm pics here are some pics from a site i belong to in japan check out eunos and jdm cars ill post more later enjoy

05-18-2006, 11:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
Sirnixalot Jr. Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Grand Cayman or England Posts: 60	Re: eunos and jdm pics lol @ the ibc pix that white NB is hot though
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05-18-2006, 12:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
timallen Administrator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tampa, FL USA Posts: 4,623	Re: eunos and jdm pics Guys: I'm not getting all Miata.net on you, but please post these pics in the ALBUM so that they are all in one place and everyone can find them without having to sort through posts.
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05-18-2006, 02:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
superboosted Jr. Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: shitzville,PA Posts: 81	Can you move this there?
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05-18-2006, 02:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
Phatmiata Rare Parts Hoarder Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 8,938	Re: eunos and jdm pics You gonna import some Roadsters from Japan? PhatMiata
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05-18-2006, 03:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
superboosted Jr. Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: shitzville,PA Posts: 81	We can;]
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05-18-2006, 04:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
LagunaMiata Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Granite Falls, NC Posts: 968	There's a guy in Wilmington who AXs a '90 that he from Japan. He bought the car when he was stationed there in the Navy. We talked at the event a few weeks back. He spent over $5000 getting the car legal for the US! I'll see if I can find pics...
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05-18-2006, 04:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
LagunaMiata Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Granite Falls, NC Posts: 968	One here.... http://public.fotki.com/kestrelracin.../es_14_01.html
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05-18-2006, 06:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
freedomgli Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,192	Re: eunos and jdm pics I see it's on dealer plates. You say "we" so I assume it at least partially belongs to you. How did you get it into the US and legally registered for street use? I'll have to check the docket to see what the details are regarding importing a Mazda "Miata". According to NHTSA, a 1990-93 Mazda "Miata" is eligible for importation to the US under VSP Eligibility Number 184. "VSP" eligibility numbers are assigned to vehicles that are decided to be eligible under 49 U.S.C. § 30141(a)(1)(A), based on a petition from a manufacturer or registered importer which establishes that a substantially similar U.S.-certified vehicle exists. Usually in this case only minor things like speedometers (kmh to mph) and lights (DOT markings) need to swapped to certify them compliant. Unfortunately, the petition and response (Docket No. 96-81) are not located online and a manual paper search must be conducted to find out the details. I'm curious which RI submitted the petition to NHTSA (a manufacturer almost never does this since they want to protect their factory authorized distribution network), what else is needed to bring the substantially similar vehicle into compliance, and whether that RI is still in business and willing to import them today. At this point, without reviewing the docket, I would say that only LHD Mazda "Miata" vehicles are eligible for importation since the eligibility list doesn't specifically allow RHD. While there is no specific restriction on importing a right-hand drive vehicle, these may not be imported under eligibility decisions based on the existence of substantially similar U.S.-certified left-hand drive vehicles. At any rate, despite the fact that NHTSA has determined it to be eligible for importation, a Mazda "Miata" may ONLY be imported under bond and by a RI unless it meets one of the other conditions I stipulated above (race car, foreigner, etc.). Also, many eligiblity petitions are only valid for the RI who submitted it. If a different RI wants to import a vehicle, it must independently submit its own petition to NHTSA showing how the vehicle can be brought into compliance with the applicable regulations.

05-18-2006, 06:43 PM	#15 (permalink)
roadsternut Esteemed Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,790	Re: eunos and jdm pics I looked into this several years ago, bringing a Roadster into the US. The icensed importer gave me an estimate; tey reckoned a conservative $10k, and that doesn't include crash-testing. A heck of a lot is needed to get airbags and extra emissions controls into the car. This isn't work you can do, or any old garage; only NHTSA-licenced places can do this work, and there aren't many. A least 2 identical MY cars will be needed for crash testing. I guess a dealer might be willing to stump up the cost for this, but unlike a Skyline, these cars aren't really worth anything. I can only assume whoever owns the old Vspec pictured had somehow persuaded some dimwit that it was some kind of rare edition. There are a number of rhd MX5s in the US (and MGFs!), but these have been brought in on a temporary basis by British Servicemen on long term secondments. But they stay on UK tags, such as this RAF guy's MG: http://www.mgcars.org.uk/news/news228.html

05-18-2006, 11:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
timallen Administrator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tampa, FL USA Posts: 4,623	Re: eunos and jdm pics You guys seem to know a lot about this. Why does the government make it so damn difficult? I mean, crash testing a car that is also sold here, just because it's RHD. It's going to react the same, isn't it?
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05-19-2006, 12:55 AM	#17 (permalink)
freedomgli Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,192	The government makes it so hard to be fair to all the manufacturers who build and sell new cars. If the system made it super easy to import cars our roads would be littered with scrap heaps that polluted and were less safe and there'd be no incentive for the real players in the market to abide by the rules. Remember, these standards are just minimum levels of performance anyways. It's like flair. Sure, you only need 15 pieces but do you want the bare minimum in (safety) performance? You don't necessarily have to crash test vehicles to show they meet the standard but you do need to support the petition with some sort of engineering or scientific data and crash testing is often the easiest way to do this.
	__________________

05-19-2006, 07:17 AM	#18 (permalink)
sideshow Miata Master Join Date: May 2006 Location: Northeastern PA Posts: 2,013	it was already in the us.. im thinking a former dignitary car. it was from wash dc.. we picked it up as chance just luck i would say.. it was federalized and given a vin. not by us but by the former owner.. so someone has legalized at least one. which would mean that more can be.. i would assume

05-19-2006, 07:59 AM	#20 (permalink)
timallen Administrator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tampa, FL USA Posts: 4,623	Re: eunos and jdm pics I like the flair reference! HAHA! =D>
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05-19-2006, 09:39 AM	#21 (permalink)
freedomgli Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,192	The more I think about it the more I think that registered importers who say they have to crash test one or more examples of the vehicle before it can be imported are just looking for more money. In reality, the RI has no intention of crash testing it. In fact, they'll probably half-ass the conversion anyways to save time and money and only change the components that are most visible and obvious. I'm surprised that a foreign diplomat had the vehicle certified compliant and that it was assigned a 17-digit VIN since they can import vehicles for personal use without modification. Do you have the DOT and EPA paperwork from the RI/ICI that either certifies it compliant or exempt?
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05-19-2006, 09:45 AM	#22 (permalink)
Phatmiata Rare Parts Hoarder Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 8,938	Ill bet some US-Military folks can bring them over and register them in the USA with much less hassle.
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05-19-2006, 09:51 AM	#23 (permalink)
sideshow Miata Master Join Date: May 2006 Location: Northeastern PA Posts: 2,013	there are markings on the car(substitute us vin applied to the dash and in the engine compartment.. the speedo was changed to mph from km. we have recently aquired to sell on our car lot a 91 canadian car with no airbags and a speedo in km.. that also has a us vin and title

05-19-2006, 10:14 AM	#24 (permalink)
freedomgli Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,192	I'm not saying this is the case with either of your cars, but I think that as our cars age and cheap junkers can be found in the US with clean paperwork I imagine we'll see more and more Roadsters driven over the border with their "new" US VINs already in place. This used to be common practice among old MGs, Triumhs, etc. where people would get an earlier title and mfr. plate to put on their post '73 cars. There are people with file folders full of titles and mfr./VIN plates that belonged to cars that are long gone due to rust, salvage, etc.
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05-19-2006, 10:23 AM	#25 (permalink)
freedomgli Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,192	They don't call it a gray market for no reason. 17-digit VINs can be obtained both legitiately and illegitimately and even a "legitimate" 17-digit VIN is no guarantee that the vehicle is here legally. A substitute VIN is a good sign that the vehicle is legit since it should also say who imported it and all the paperwork can be traced. The difficulty I see with importing a Canadian car is that only cars originally sold in Canada will have a 17-digit VIN. All the Eunos Roadsters imported to Canada under the 15 year rule won't have one. But even with a 17-digit Candadian VIN the vehicle probably won't show up in your insurance company's nor your state DMV's computer records system since they rely on NICB records. When your insurance company / DMV figure out what's really going on they'll likely demand to see proof that the vehicle is in compliance with all applicable laws which means showing them a valid DOT and EPA paperwork from the RI/ICI. Vehicles imported here on a temporary basis by foreigners usually keep their foreign registration.
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05-19-2006, 10:26 AM	#26 (permalink)
freedomgli Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,192	But like everything there are loop holes. Combined with the general lack of enforcement the only thing keeping the system together is people's fear of life-crippling lawsuits.
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05-19-2006, 11:02 AM	#27 (permalink)
sideshow Miata Master Join Date: May 2006 Location: Northeastern PA Posts: 2,013	i totally agree with you. both are legal. fact that we have titles etc. some states are eaier than you can imagine for legalizing cars. as you stated there are ways of bypassing everything.. and a different note. we also have 2 skyline 1-r32 gtst and a r33 spec v.

05-19-2006, 11:06 AM	#28 (permalink)
freedomgli Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,192	I love straight sixes. I love AWD. I love Skylines.
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05-24-2006, 02:34 PM	#29 (permalink)
kepani Jr. Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hawai'i & Socal Posts: 75	aside from all of the safety regulations for crash testing and importing requirements... ...just look at the seat position... a friend of mine has a right hand drive honda here in the us. though it is such a novelty, it is DIFFICULT to drive. when making left turns at an intersection, it is difficult to see oncoming traffic. many times, driving that car around is a crapshoot. though i love rhd cars because of the "no one has it coolness", it doesn't make any sense to have one here...from a safety standpoint. if you've ever driven a rhd car, i'm sure you'd agree - it's not made for our roads... kepani-who's still enjoying the pictures of the nice miatas above.
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