engine damper

geromichi · 11-15-2006, 11:20 PM

anyone installed an engine damper? wondering how does it affect the feel of the car? I know it doesn't make the car faster, but if it makes it smoother i wouldn't mind picking one up.

the blue potato · 11-15-2006, 11:35 PM

Does nothing much for HP increase per se - spend your $$ elsewhere, but there is an acceleration diffference based on the damper preventing or dampening the movement of the engine under heavy RPM's.

freedomgli · 11-15-2006, 11:39 PM

Jimmy said it helped a lot on his car to reduce rocking even with his Mazdaspeed motor mounts. I don't have one but that doesn't stop me from giving an opinion on the subject. I imagine it helps make upshifts feel a little more crisp and makes the throttle response feel a smidgen sharper. Only you can determine how sensitive you are to this. I wouldn't use an engine damper as a substitute for replacing worn out or damaged motor mounts.

snig · 11-16-2006, 01:22 AM

I have the tuckin99 damper on my MSM. Shifting has become alot smoother.

RusMan · 11-16-2006, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snig @ Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:22 pm

I have the tuckin99 damper on my MSM. Shifting has become alot smoother.

where did you get it? Got any pics?

4 Throttle Tuning · 11-16-2006, 06:24 AM

Freedomgli is right if you have worn motor mounts I would replace those first. Taka @ A-RF always uses them on his cars so I decided to start carrying them and they do work and will stay on my car. My engine use to rock like mad on start up with my IRTB's until it warmed up. Our Engine Damper is the same as all of your JDM shops carry. We carry them in Red or Blue.

Jimmy
FujiRacing

retrorocket · 11-16-2006, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the blue potato @ Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:35 am

Does nothing much for HP increase per se - spend your $$ elsewhere, but there is an acceleration diffference based on the damper preventing or dampening the movement of the engine under heavy RPM's.

Peter
What type of damper is that on your car ?
I am looking to get one for my IRTB setup but I am also using my cusco front brace so I have fitment issues with the tuckin99/A-RF type !

the blue potato · 11-16-2006, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retrorocket @ Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:54 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by the blue potato @ Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:35 am

Does nothing much for HP increase per se - spend your $$ elsewhere, but there is an acceleration diffference based on the damper preventing or dampening the movement of the engine under heavy RPM's.

Peter
What type of damper is that on your car ?
I am looking to get one for my IRTB setup but I am also using my cusco front brace so I have fitment issues with the tuckin99/A-RF type !

Ahhhhh-soooo - this was given to me by Team Aizawa and I modified the bracket a bit for my 1.8. I am sure it is a cobbled together motorcycle unit with shop parts, etc.

I need to find out if mind is adjustible or not - as it is VERY siff.

frosty115 · 11-16-2006, 11:10 AM

:!: Other than looking cool as hell, I would say don't waste the $$$$$$. I good set of motor mounts would do the trick. But it's all in what you are going for........Peter you still haven't figured out how to adjust that thing??? Whats up with that?

jdmwackness · 11-16-2006, 11:38 AM

you can just make something similar for a few dollars at a hardware store

*hint hint*

someone put together something like this for cheap as a kit so a lazy person like me does not have to go to the hardware store

freedomgli · 11-16-2006, 03:34 PM

Yes but a hardware store bracket will remove nearly all compliance which could have unintended consequences. A damper will dampen the motion but not necessarily prevent motion. It really depends on how stiff the valving is. They do look cool as hell, though.

the blue potato · 11-16-2006, 04:44 PM

And what Kyle says is true - if you do not dampen you will crack the engine block - I have seen this with badly mounted S/C blowers - that area where the engine is mounted need to have care, etc. But you can buy the motorcycle steering dampers cheaply enough on ebay - and then find your own hardware.

Caldera · 11-16-2006, 04:51 PM

Hrm.

Ya know... the firstgen Neons use one of those as a rear engine mount... it's subtle, it's black, Mopar Performance makes a cheap, upgraded unit.

Hrm. I think i'm gonna find me a bobble strut in my crap at home and see if I can make a damper! I just wasn't sure how I wanted to bracket it to clear my strut brace until now.

freedomgli · 11-16-2006, 05:31 PM

The FujiRacing Engine Damper is only $89. For those who want the ultimate in engine bay bling you could adopt an Öhlins steering damper to fit.

Caldera · 11-16-2006, 06:20 PM

Ok... the Ohlins is hotness.

... 89.00? Hrm. Maybe after I figure out how much of a difference it makes with a 5.00 prototype.

LUV2TURN · 11-17-2006, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Caldera @ Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:51 pm

Hrm.

Ya know... the firstgen Neons use one of those as a rear engine mount... it's subtle, it's black, Mopar Performance makes a cheap, upgraded unit.

Hrm. I think i'm gonna find me a bobble strut in my crap at home and see if I can make a damper! I just wasn't sure how I wanted to bracket it to clear my strut brace until now.

Well, I don't know if you could really call it an engine mount, per se...It's more of an anti-torque strut, can't remember exactly what the dealer called them....on neons.org it's always just 'bobble strut'

I replaced my shot one with the booger unit...combined with deyeme flex/firm mounts, my Neon was one shaky car

RusMan · 11-18-2006, 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freedomgli @ Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:31 pm

The FujiRacing Engine Damper is only $89. For those who want the ultimate in engine bay bling you could adopt an Öhlins steering damper to fit.

Is it a real damper? I know the ebay ones just look like dampers but if you take them appart they're just filled with some hard rubber.

Caldera · 11-18-2006, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LUV2TURN @ Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:54 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caldera @ Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:51 pm

Hrm.

Ya know... the firstgen Neons use one of those as a rear engine mount... it's subtle, it's black, Mopar Performance makes a cheap, upgraded unit.

Hrm. I think i'm gonna find me a bobble strut in my crap at home and see if I can make a damper! I just wasn't sure how I wanted to bracket it to clear my strut brace until now.

Well, I don't know if you could really call it an engine mount, per se...It's more of an anti-torque strut, can't remember exactly what the dealer called them....on neons.org it's always just 'bobble strut'

I replaced my shot one with the booger unit...combined with deyeme flex/firm mounts, my Neon was one shaky car

Gah, what do they call them, I think maybe it's just torque-damping strut or some such. Strangely, I actually went away from solid mounts. My ACR is just one big echo chamber, my final mount setup has been a Quickor bobble (the one now being sold by Vitor) and stock mounts the rest of the way around... keep the mounts in good shape, and wheelhop wasn't a problem. I think that was mostly because I lost the ability to romp the throttle sometime after I added the first 2.4l and had to learn to modulate throttle.

But yeah, I've got a stock unit, and I think an MP one somwhere... it should make for a nice compromise between breaking things, and having nothing. If it doesn't work, i'm out a whopping however much the scrap steel and electricity to run the plasma cutter cost me.

Matt [exz3owner] · 11-18-2006, 11:00 AM

peter-

how do you explain the change in acceleration? The engine damper at most prevents 20 degrees of engine rotation per gear, which equates to less than the firing of 2 cylinders for a full run through 5 gears.

Why do you think limiting this movement changes acceleration?

iWeasel410 · 11-19-2006, 03:32 PM

Wanna stiffen those motor mounts on the cheap? Check out this article I found at DSMtuners
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205132
talk about ghetto, but I don't see why it won't work :-P

raen419 · 12-20-2006, 05:07 PM

Filling motor mounts with polyurethane is nothing new. 240sx guys have been doing it for years. Makes the car vibrate a good bit at idle, but beyond that its pretty nice. I did it to my S13 a few years ago. I liked it, but if you do a lot of stop/go driving, it may get on your nerves.

renesisdrms · 12-20-2006, 05:42 PM

engine dampers are usually mounted on the head, right? most drifters like to use them too i assume. i don't find this item more attractive over some nice motor mounts because of where its positioned and its function. it stresses the head and what keeps it down would obviously be your head studs. thats one reason i think fabbing one up and placing it whereever it allows u to is a bad idea. it may be useful on drift cars to dampen the motor's torque twist when they abuse their cars and clutch kick...but i only assume over long periods of useage even without abusive drifting habits will turn up negative results in the long run.

renesisdrms · 12-20-2006, 05:59 PM

i prefer stiffer motor mounts. but even that has its shortcomings. my dash would vibrate on 1st gear take off. and it changes the engine's natural harmonic balancing. even small engine mods that seem harmless actually has its flaws. one just don't know because we don't have the research equipment to delicately tune compared to the factory.

another way to look at this example is: stiff competetion suspension puts more stress on the body, right? your suspenson won't move, but there'll be more body twisting! somethings gotta compensate for it. i guess its what one's willing to deal with. i'm merely suggesting one should consider thoroughly before buying parts. having unneccessary parts will also bring in the unwanted problems with it. not to mention the more items to disassemble when u actually gotta fix something.

just my opinion. only wanted to give something one can consider.

Caldera · 12-20-2006, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iWeasel410 @ Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:32 pm

Wanna stiffen those motor mounts on the cheap? Check out this article I found at DSMtuners
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205132
talk about ghetto, but I don't see why it won't work :-P

3M Quick-Cure window weld works better. That said, there's no voids in the Miata engine mounts to fill!

Max_Power · 12-22-2006, 12:39 PM

Today I started a bit aggressively in the traffic light (3K rpm) and the engine started to vibrate and hitting the hood from the SC side...as a result the whole hood was vibrating!!!
In the past I was getting only wheel hop, but now with the stiffer spring I'm getting move engine vibration!
BTW I DO HAVE THE MS ENGINE MOUNTS
So I think I need a damper, do you know if there is anything out there that will fit with a JRSC?

slydin miata 619 · 12-25-2006, 02:21 AM

i've been thinking if this precedure actually works?

Camtheman · 12-25-2006, 11:31 AM

In order to fit the damper on a supercharger you will def. need one that mounts in front of the suspension tower. The 2 common ones will not fit (BR and weapon r) You might have luck modding the brackets on those, they place the damper behind the tower, you need one than is a straight shot over from the engine hoist hook/loop.

kotomile · 01-02-2007, 02:15 AM

When I was NA and could spare the room on the driver's side I used a solid "homedepot" turnbuckle brace, worked absolutely fantastic. Now I need to figure out how to make it work with the Turbo.

01-03-2007, 05:08 AM

Ingalls Stiffy:

http://www.ingallseng.com/parts/ETD/ETD-Specs.htm

raen419 · 01-03-2007, 04:01 PM

Bill, I want one.
When will those be available?

11-15-2006, 11:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
geromichi Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 484	engine damper anyone installed an engine damper? wondering how does it affect the feel of the car? I know it doesn't make the car faster, but if it makes it smoother i wouldn't mind picking one up.
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11-15-2006, 11:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
freedomgli Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,191	Jimmy said it helped a lot on his car to reduce rocking even with his Mazdaspeed motor mounts. I don't have one but that doesn't stop me from giving an opinion on the subject. I imagine it helps make upshifts feel a little more crisp and makes the throttle response feel a smidgen sharper. Only you can determine how sensitive you are to this. I wouldn't use an engine damper as a substitute for replacing worn out or damaged motor mounts.
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11-16-2006, 01:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
snig Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Laurel, MD Posts: 170	Re: engine damper I have the tuckin99 damper on my MSM. Shifting has become alot smoother.

11-16-2006, 11:10 AM	#9 (permalink)
frosty115 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ga Posts: 197	Re: engine damper :!: Other than looking cool as hell, I would say don't waste the $$$$$$. I good set of motor mounts would do the trick. But it's all in what you are going for........Peter you still haven't figured out how to adjust that thing??? Whats up with that?

11-16-2006, 11:38 AM	#10 (permalink)
jdmwackness Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 387	you can just make something similar for a few dollars at a hardware store hint hint someone put together something like this for cheap as a kit so a lazy person like me does not have to go to the hardware store
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11-16-2006, 03:34 PM	#11 (permalink)
freedomgli Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,191	Yes but a hardware store bracket will remove nearly all compliance which could have unintended consequences. A damper will dampen the motion but not necessarily prevent motion. It really depends on how stiff the valving is. They do look cool as hell, though.
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11-16-2006, 04:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
the blue potato Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Posts: 4,431	Re: engine damper And what Kyle says is true - if you do not dampen you will crack the engine block - I have seen this with badly mounted S/C blowers - that area where the engine is mounted need to have care, etc. But you can buy the motorcycle steering dampers cheaply enough on ebay - and then find your own hardware.
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11-16-2006, 04:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
Caldera Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 1,999	Hrm. Ya know... the firstgen Neons use one of those as a rear engine mount... it's subtle, it's black, Mopar Performance makes a cheap, upgraded unit. Hrm. I think i'm gonna find me a bobble strut in my crap at home and see if I can make a damper! I just wasn't sure how I wanted to bracket it to clear my strut brace until now.
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11-16-2006, 05:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
freedomgli Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,191	The FujiRacing Engine Damper is only $89. For those who want the ultimate in engine bay bling you could adopt an Öhlins steering damper to fit.
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11-16-2006, 06:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
Caldera Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 1,999	Ok... the Ohlins is hotness. ... 89.00? Hrm. Maybe after I figure out how much of a difference it makes with a 5.00 prototype.
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11-18-2006, 11:00 AM	#19 (permalink)
Matt [exz3owner] Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,028	peter- how do you explain the change in acceleration? The engine damper at most prevents 20 degrees of engine rotation per gear, which equates to less than the firing of 2 cylinders for a full run through 5 gears. Why do you think limiting this movement changes acceleration?
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11-19-2006, 03:32 PM	#20 (permalink)
iWeasel410 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Huntington Beach Posts: 233	Wanna stiffen those motor mounts on the cheap? Check out this article I found at DSMtuners http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205132 talk about ghetto, but I don't see why it won't work :-P

12-20-2006, 05:07 PM	#21 (permalink)
raen419 Supporting Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Pinson, AL Posts: 1,653	Filling motor mounts with polyurethane is nothing new. 240sx guys have been doing it for years. Makes the car vibrate a good bit at idle, but beyond that its pretty nice. I did it to my S13 a few years ago. I liked it, but if you do a lot of stop/go driving, it may get on your nerves.
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12-20-2006, 05:42 PM	#22 (permalink)
renesisdrms Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: holly woood Posts: 459	engine dampers are usually mounted on the head, right? most drifters like to use them too i assume. i don't find this item more attractive over some nice motor mounts because of where its positioned and its function. it stresses the head and what keeps it down would obviously be your head studs. thats one reason i think fabbing one up and placing it whereever it allows u to is a bad idea. it may be useful on drift cars to dampen the motor's torque twist when they abuse their cars and clutch kick...but i only assume over long periods of useage even without abusive drifting habits will turn up negative results in the long run.
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12-20-2006, 05:59 PM	#23 (permalink)
renesisdrms Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: holly woood Posts: 459	i prefer stiffer motor mounts. but even that has its shortcomings. my dash would vibrate on 1st gear take off. and it changes the engine's natural harmonic balancing. even small engine mods that seem harmless actually has its flaws. one just don't know because we don't have the research equipment to delicately tune compared to the factory. another way to look at this example is: stiff competetion suspension puts more stress on the body, right? your suspenson won't move, but there'll be more body twisting! somethings gotta compensate for it. i guess its what one's willing to deal with. i'm merely suggesting one should consider thoroughly before buying parts. having unneccessary parts will also bring in the unwanted problems with it. not to mention the more items to disassemble when u actually gotta fix something. just my opinion. only wanted to give something one can consider.
	__________________ MAX SPEED-shift_downHiGhWaYsT@R

12-22-2006, 12:39 PM	#25 (permalink)
Max_Power Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Thousand Oaks, California Posts: 3,830	Today I started a bit aggressively in the traffic light (3K rpm) and the engine started to vibrate and hitting the hood from the SC side...as a result the whole hood was vibrating!!! In the past I was getting only wheel hop, but now with the stiffer spring I'm getting move engine vibration! BTW I DO HAVE THE MS ENGINE MOUNTS So I think I need a damper, do you know if there is anything out there that will fit with a JRSC?
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12-25-2006, 02:21 AM	#26 (permalink)
slydin miata 619 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 327	i've been thinking if this precedure actually works?
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12-25-2006, 11:31 AM	#27 (permalink)
Camtheman Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northern Kentucky Posts: 145	Re: engine damper In order to fit the damper on a supercharger you will def. need one that mounts in front of the suspension tower. The 2 common ones will not fit (BR and weapon r) You might have luck modding the brackets on those, they place the damper behind the tower, you need one than is a straight shot over from the engine hoist hook/loop.

01-02-2007, 02:15 AM	#28 (permalink)
kotomile Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fort Bragg, NC Posts: 150	When I was NA and could spare the room on the driver's side I used a solid "homedepot" turnbuckle brace, worked absolutely fantastic. Now I need to figure out how to make it work with the Turbo.
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01-03-2007, 05:08 AM	#29 (permalink)
MiataRoadster Guest Posts: n/a	Re: engine damper Ingalls Stiffy: http://www.ingallseng.com/parts/ETD/ETD-Specs.htm
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01-03-2007, 04:01 PM	#30 (permalink)
raen419 Supporting Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Pinson, AL Posts: 1,653	Bill, I want one. When will those be available?
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