Cam Shaft Help? Car not starting.. (1996 NA)

NyanCat · 06-20-2012, 01:53 PM

Ever since I bought my car I noticed a clinging sound coming from the engine. I had a friend diagnose it and tell me it was the lifters being stuck and old. I decided to take apart my engine and clean each lifter. The lifter cleaning worked with a few DIY's I found online:

http://www.miata.net/garage/hla/cleaning.html

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=208366

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX3vnnq4y7M

Each lifter I cleaned had disgusting black grimy oil in it and I cleaned eight of the sixteen.

What I had a problem with is dealing with the Camshaft and putting that and the timing belt back on the right way.

I shouldnt of done it but I guessed where it was (The Cams) before I put it all back together. Because once I put it all back together and started the car it would not start. It sounded as if it wanted to but it didnt.

I'm thinking I should take it all apart again (keep it in neutral) and place the cam shafts and the gears with the lettering matching the engine as this guy did when he put it back together:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHRfW...feature=relmfu

Yes the lifters all work as if they were brand new after I cleaned them all and placed them back into their original holes/position.

phillyb™ · 06-20-2012, 01:56 PM

yeah, it needs to be timed correctly.
if you eyeballed it...chances are you fooked it up

NyanCat · 06-20-2012, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillyb™

yeah, it needs to be timed correctly.
if you eyeballed it...chances are you fooked it up

After I put the timing belt gears into place with the cam shafts and attempted to start it. Will it damage the engine in any way? or will just placing the lettering 'I' and 'E' on the gears with the engine work while in neutral? should I put it in any gear before matching them up?

phillyb™ · 06-20-2012, 02:05 PM

you should do whatever this says - http://www.miata.net/garage/timingbelt.html

NyanCat · 06-20-2012, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillyb™

you should do whatever this says - http://www.miata.net/garage/timingbelt.html

I'm going to try that

Thanks for the help! Let's see if this works..

NyanCat · 06-21-2012, 11:01 AM

Thought I fixed it. Turns out I didnt.. Now it wont start and after putting the key in there and attempting to start it it tries to start.. then go thump and then tries to start itself again.. also some smoke comes out of nowhere?

1vicissitude · 06-21-2012, 11:41 AM

Get someone to retime it that knows that they are doing. Your doing something wrong. Being in gear or neutral really has nothing to do with anything. I think it's fairly clear you are way over your head man.

Did everything line up exactly like those pictures? Do you have the correct plug wire feeding the right cylinder?

You could have rotated the CAS 180 degrees when you were removing the cams.

Sounds to me you have fucked with it so much now you are going to have to find TDC manually. Find the top of cylinder ones stroke by putting a screw driver in the spark plug hole. Then use the pulley markings to measure it precisely.

Who knows where in the cycle you have this thing lol.

Braineack · 06-21-2012, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NyanCat

Thought I fixed it. Turns out I didnt.. Now it wont start and after putting the key in there and attempting to start it it tries to start.. then go thump and then tries to start itself again.. also some smoke comes out of nowhere?

your cam timing is still off.

Braineack · 06-21-2012, 11:46 AM

Quote:

You could have rotated the CAS 180 degrees when you were removing the cams.

no dude.

1vicissitude · 06-21-2012, 12:02 PM

How many teeth are between the pulleys, should be 19.

adamvanxxx · 06-21-2012, 12:50 PM

You can't rotate the CAS 180 it only goes in one way.

NyanCat · 06-21-2012, 01:12 PM

I'll have someone do it.. hopefully it doesnt run me alot..

1vicissitude · 06-21-2012, 01:16 PM

Your in redlands, see if any of the local miata peeps can help spin a wrench. It shouldn't take someone who's done it before much time at all.

NyanCat · 06-23-2012, 03:23 AM

She's aliveee!! I'd like to personally thank 91Radio Flyer, djdeluxept, WildCJ5, emtran, Conundrum, Braineack, 1vicissitude and I'd also like to thank PhillyB..

The problem was that the crankshaft needed to be in T.D.C., which meant I had to take out fuses and measure and some other stuff!

NyanCat · 07-04-2012, 06:44 PM

Soo.. I'm having this exact same problem and am working with no space at all.. Any advice on how to get the lock off?

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=394887

There is one long bolt that is there & really really hard to get to.. it's a 12mm, should I buy a skinny 12 point socket wrench with a bend on the end and put it through? This is honestly being a huge pain..

EDIT: Did what I said I would.. Cam is off.. I win you piece of shit bolt... Haha

Braineack · 07-05-2012, 07:47 AM

you cant reach the cas lockdown bolt? lol.

here bro: http://www.amazon.com/Mintcraft-Ratc.../dp/B005QC7CRG

NyanCat · 07-05-2012, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Braineack

you cant reach the cas lockdown bolt? lol.

here bro: http://www.amazon.com/Mintcraft-Ratc.../dp/B005QC7CRG

No, I got to it lol just having other issues at the moment..

Cleaned every lifter.. still engine sound :(

NyanCat · 07-18-2012, 04:38 PM

Haven't posted on here in a while. Car works perfect.

06-20-2012, 01:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
NyanCat Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 213	Cam Shaft Help? Car not starting.. (1996 NA) Ever since I bought my car I noticed a clinging sound coming from the engine. I had a friend diagnose it and tell me it was the lifters being stuck and old. I decided to take apart my engine and clean each lifter. The lifter cleaning worked with a few DIY's I found online: http://www.miata.net/garage/hla/cleaning.html http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=208366 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX3vnnq4y7M Each lifter I cleaned had disgusting black grimy oil in it and I cleaned eight of the sixteen. What I had a problem with is dealing with the Camshaft and putting that and the timing belt back on the right way. I shouldnt of done it but I guessed where it was (The Cams) before I put it all back together. Because once I put it all back together and started the car it would not start. It sounded as if it wanted to but it didnt. I'm thinking I should take it all apart again (keep it in neutral) and place the cam shafts and the gears with the lettering matching the engine as this guy did when he put it back together: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHRfW...feature=relmfu Yes the lifters all work as if they were brand new after I cleaned them all and placed them back into their original holes/position.

06-20-2012, 01:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
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06-20-2012, 02:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
phillyb™ //reported Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: misery Posts: 7,565	Re: Cam Shaft Help? Car not starting.. (1996 NA) you should do whatever this says - http://www.miata.net/garage/timingbelt.html
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06-21-2012, 11:01 AM	#6 (permalink)
NyanCat Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 213	Re: Cam Shaft Help? Car not starting.. (1996 NA) Thought I fixed it. Turns out I didnt.. Now it wont start and after putting the key in there and attempting to start it it tries to start.. then go thump and then tries to start itself again.. also some smoke comes out of nowhere?

06-21-2012, 01:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
NyanCat Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 213	Re: Cam Shaft Help? Car not starting.. (1996 NA) I'll have someone do it.. hopefully it doesnt run me alot..

06-23-2012, 03:23 AM	#14 (permalink)
NyanCat Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 213	Re: Cam Shaft Help? Car not starting.. (1996 NA) She's aliveee!! I'd like to personally thank 91Radio Flyer, djdeluxept, WildCJ5, emtran, Conundrum, Braineack, 1vicissitude and I'd also like to thank PhillyB.. The problem was that the crankshaft needed to be in T.D.C., which meant I had to take out fuses and measure and some other stuff!

07-04-2012, 06:44 PM	#15 (permalink)
NyanCat Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 213	Re: Cam Shaft Help? Car not starting.. (1996 NA) Soo.. I'm having this exact same problem and am working with no space at all.. Any advice on how to get the lock off? http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=394887 There is one long bolt that is there & really really hard to get to.. it's a 12mm, should I buy a skinny 12 point socket wrench with a bend on the end and put it through? This is honestly being a huge pain.. EDIT: Did what I said I would.. Cam is off.. I win you piece of shit bolt... Haha
	Last edited by NyanCat; 07-04-2012 at 08:51 PM.

07-05-2012, 07:47 AM	#16 (permalink)
Braineack Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: a Posts: 4,094	Re: Cam Shaft Help? Car not starting.. (1996 NA) you cant reach the cas lockdown bolt? lol. here bro: http://www.amazon.com/Mintcraft-Ratc.../dp/B005QC7CRG

07-18-2012, 04:38 PM	#18 (permalink)
NyanCat Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 213	Re: Cam Shaft Help? Car not starting.. (1996 NA) Haven't posted on here in a while. Car works perfect.

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