Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside)

miata_racer · 01-08-2010, 08:45 AM

Tell me something we don't know...the header is MAYBE 3 years old at most...and has about 15k miles on it.

So today it broke...I'm on the freeway and then the car got really loud....I gunned it and knew it was before the cat.

The stupid header broke at the welds the whole way around the flange by the cat.

Verwah · 01-08-2010, 08:49 AM

Raceland - symbol of excellence.

Palmer · 01-08-2010, 08:52 AM

So all those busted racing beat/jackson headers I hear about must be shit too then.

It was less than $100 bucks, and you got 3 years out of it. Sounds like an OK deal to me...

You could buy another, and still be at half the price of a racing beat.

Verwah · 01-08-2010, 08:55 AM

Palmer has a point. But I will add that a Nismo header for the QR25DE costs 225 bucks and lasts a lifetime. Guaranteed. (just a personal account of a quality part) So you could own two raceland headers for six years theoretically, or buy a quality part for the same price and rejoyce as you celebrate its 15th year on your Miata.

vk_jrocker · 01-08-2010, 09:00 AM

well I had racing beat fail on me too so I don't know what to say anymore haha.
every product whether cheap or high priced will fail sometime sooner or later.

whizbang18t · 01-08-2010, 09:03 AM

why not just reweld it? $20 tops at any muffler shop

Splitime · 01-08-2010, 09:07 AM

Any flex section in that exhaust? If not... thats why it went cracky.

miata_racer · 01-08-2010, 09:15 AM

Ya if I get another header it will have a flex section

I didn't take pics of the 3 out of 4 cracks up by the flange that bolts to the motor either

I'm leaning toward a Fuji anyway...The only reason I never put a flex pipe in this was I never felt the power gain was very significant. It was a tiny bit peppier on the top end but that's it.

As for the price...I got it for a steal (bought it with a borla cat back for $200 and sold the Borla for $250)

I'm eyeballing the old HKS in a thread I posted in this week now actually...and a $75 Bosal. At least I KNOW the Bosal makes more power

miata_racer · 01-08-2010, 02:51 PM

http://www.facebook.com/video/video....29183505&saved

Just for kicks....there's a vid.....anyone can see it

fitftw · 01-08-2010, 03:04 PM

RB/JR are not crap. Raceland is ebay quality, like OBX or JDM's or Yonaka brand. All cheap stuff, you get what you pay for. What was it, under $200? Yeah, crap.

BracedEunos · 01-08-2010, 03:14 PM

^^I disagree. I owned a first generation JR 1.6 header. The Raceland was a superior piece. JR did not bother to smooth out port entries. Both have similar looking mig welds. Better 02 placement on the Raceland. Upon glance I prefer the raceland. I normally do not defend cheap stuff. Amoung the cheap 4-2-1 headers its not that bad.

However JR did improve their manifolds which I do not have experience with.

Here is the 1st gen JR header. Sorry dont have a pic of primary ports.

Raceland

Palmer · 01-08-2010, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitftw

RB/JR are not crap. Raceland is ebay quality, like OBX or JDM's or Yonaka brand. All cheap stuff, you get what you pay for. What was it, under $200? Yeah, crap.

You are missing the point. Raceland headers are $117 to your door.

You sometimes get what you pay for.

In this case, $117 for 3 years of use (hard use based on his screen name) seems like a pretty good (and more importantly realistic) deal to me considering the cost.

Buy all means, go buy a $400 header. I'll just buy another raceland when it breaks.

Kuane · 01-08-2010, 03:49 PM

weld a flex pipe to it and call it a day.

epikeddie · 01-08-2010, 03:53 PM

I believe someone already mentioned the issue.

Flex pipe.

The vibrations / heat is causing welds to fail. You want to know something? This happens to the turbo guys too.

Look at how the "serious" guys are cracking manifolds, backing out studs, and etc. with high-heat, high-vibration, high-load type of driving.

You paid $117 shipped for a header with no flex pipe. It was bound to break one day. I surprised you got 3 years out of it.

You can either fix that weld for $20-$30 or invest some money on a serious header setup - which I wouldn't see necessary unless you're in a specific class of racing that doesn't allow FI and need to squeeze out every HP with your current exhaust setup.

Good luck on your efforts!

cnd_eunos · 01-08-2010, 04:22 PM

you pay for what you get and in your case you got shit lol just felt like saying that

emmi · 01-08-2010, 04:33 PM

i too would not have any complaints since its an 80 dollar header piece which lasted u 3 years. heck it might not even be it's fault. what motor, diff mounts r u running?

cnd_eunos · 01-08-2010, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emmi

i too would not have any complaints since its an 80 dollar header piece which lasted u 3 years. heck it might not even be it's fault. what motor, diff mounts r u running?

yea true just costed him just over 25$ a year to run em

miata_racer · 01-08-2010, 09:55 PM

I was just confirming it's no nicer than the price

And as I said....it cost me -$50

SO I'll weld a flex pipe and bring my investment up to $0

RacingBeatMx-5 · 01-08-2010, 10:03 PM

Lol I want to know what mods you got just like everyone else.

Nev · 01-08-2010, 10:46 PM

the lack of flex pipe killed this header, and also vjkrocker's racing beat one.

Palmer · 01-08-2010, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miata_racer

I was just confirming it's no nicer than the price

I still think you are wrong.

Racing beat headers crack.

Jackson racing headers crack.

Raceland headers crack, but they are are only $117.

LostSoulMiata · 01-08-2010, 11:53 PM

It's not a bad piece, just like sportmaxx/XXR's :rolleyes:

If mine cracks or splits, I'll just weld it back up and add a flex section. I bought the header with future ideas in mind, so I took the chance for the cheap price. It's not a safety item, so I don't know why people are getting so bent out of shape over it.

theshdwconspracy · 01-09-2010, 12:16 AM

Cracked the weld on my JR where it goes from 2-1. Just rewelded it. Shit happens. I hate cheap ebay shit but shit happens

Palmer · 01-09-2010, 01:03 AM

Do you hate the ebay stuff, or so you hate the fact that you spent $400 on headers while you can buy something that will do the same thing for $117?

LostSoulMiata · 01-09-2010, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palmer

Do you hate the ebay stuff, or so you hate the fact that you spent $400 on headers while you can buy something that will do the same thing for $117?

crap..... *gets popcorn*

Palmer · 01-09-2010, 01:34 AM

Hey, I'm not trying to start a flamewar or anything, but I think it's an honest question.

I'm happy with what I got out of mine for $117.

Are people saying that the $300 difference is noticeable?

I don't think so.

Now, keep in mind this only had to do with raceland headers, not anything else that they sell...

LostSoulMiata · 01-09-2010, 01:41 AM

I know, but sometimes the most simple questions usually result in a shitstorm and dyno charts when comparing HP items

theshdwconspracy · 01-09-2010, 01:52 AM

My 400 dollar headers were free. They are ceramic coated and they fit under the JR supercharger. IDK if racelands do, i don't think that they do.

Idk about hp numbers, there isnt much gain from them anyways. I just hate that one company pays x dollars for research/development then charges a fair rate for the time and work that went into a product. Then company B grabs said product copies it, manufactures it in BFE and sells it for less(reflecting NO r&d and said drop in quality).

Meanwhile, company A, the R&D forward, quality company struggles to stay in business cause noone buys their product because 80% of tuners are broke ass ricers.

I don't really care, thats just how i feel about the industry.

brontosaurus · 01-09-2010, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theshdwconspracy

My 400 dollar headers were free. They are ceramic coated and they fit under the JR supercharger. IDK if racelands do, i don't think that they do.

Idk about hp numbers, there isnt much gain from them anyways. I just hate that one company pays x dollars for research/development then charges a fair rate for the time and work that went into a product. Then company B grabs said product copies it, manufactures it in BFE and sells it for less(reflecting NO r&d and said drop in quality).

Meanwhile, company A, the R&D forward, quality company struggles to stay in business cause noone buys their product because 80% of tuners are broke ass ricers.

I don't really care, thats just how i feel about the industry.

This would be a valid argument if the Jackson Racing headers were of significantly higher quality than the Racelands. There's really only so many combinations of pipe that fit in that corridor, I don't see R&D taking a terrible amount of time (crazy class rule racing excluded).

dwkfym · 01-09-2010, 02:59 AM

Thanks for the post up. Good to have long-term review. I almost bought these just for shits and giggles.

01-08-2010, 08:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
miata_racer Gang-Ban Organizer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pearland (Houston), TX Posts: 2,635	Raceland STILL = shit (VIDEO AND PIC inside) Tell me something we don't know...the header is MAYBE 3 years old at most...and has about 15k miles on it. So today it broke...I'm on the freeway and then the car got really loud....I gunned it and knew it was before the cat. The stupid header broke at the welds the whole way around the flange by the cat.
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01-08-2010, 08:49 AM	#2 (permalink)
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01-08-2010, 08:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
Palmer Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: St. Paul MN Posts: 458	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) So all those busted racing beat/jackson headers I hear about must be shit too then. It was less than $100 bucks, and you got 3 years out of it. Sounds like an OK deal to me... You could buy another, and still be at half the price of a racing beat.

01-08-2010, 08:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
Verwah Going up the Country Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,960	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) Palmer has a point. But I will add that a Nismo header for the QR25DE costs 225 bucks and lasts a lifetime. Guaranteed. (just a personal account of a quality part) So you could own two raceland headers for six years theoretically, or buy a quality part for the same price and rejoyce as you celebrate its 15th year on your Miata.
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01-08-2010, 09:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
vk_jrocker Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Anaheim/Northridge, CA Posts: 1,184	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) well I had racing beat fail on me too so I don't know what to say anymore haha. every product whether cheap or high priced will fail sometime sooner or later.
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01-08-2010, 09:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
whizbang18t Supporting Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: dallas, tx Posts: 955	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) why not just reweld it? $20 tops at any muffler shop
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01-08-2010, 09:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
Splitime Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,330	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) Any flex section in that exhaust? If not... thats why it went cracky.

01-08-2010, 09:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
miata_racer Gang-Ban Organizer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pearland (Houston), TX Posts: 2,635	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) Ya if I get another header it will have a flex section I didn't take pics of the 3 out of 4 cracks up by the flange that bolts to the motor either I'm leaning toward a Fuji anyway...The only reason I never put a flex pipe in this was I never felt the power gain was very significant. It was a tiny bit peppier on the top end but that's it. As for the price...I got it for a steal (bought it with a borla cat back for $200 and sold the Borla for $250) I'm eyeballing the old HKS in a thread I posted in this week now actually...and a $75 Bosal. At least I KNOW the Bosal makes more power
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01-08-2010, 02:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
miata_racer Gang-Ban Organizer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pearland (Houston), TX Posts: 2,635	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) http://www.facebook.com/video/video....29183505&saved Just for kicks....there's a vid.....anyone can see it
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01-08-2010, 03:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
fitftw Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Central NJ Posts: 1,485	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) RB/JR are not crap. Raceland is ebay quality, like OBX or JDM's or Yonaka brand. All cheap stuff, you get what you pay for. What was it, under $200? Yeah, crap.

01-08-2010, 03:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
BracedEunos CR.net Supporter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,118	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) ^^I disagree. I owned a first generation JR 1.6 header. The Raceland was a superior piece. JR did not bother to smooth out port entries. Both have similar looking mig welds. Better 02 placement on the Raceland. Upon glance I prefer the raceland. I normally do not defend cheap stuff. Amoung the cheap 4-2-1 headers its not that bad. However JR did improve their manifolds which I do not have experience with. Here is the 1st gen JR header. Sorry dont have a pic of primary ports. Raceland
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01-08-2010, 03:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
Kuane CR.net Supporter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Monterey Park Posts: 3,147	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) weld a flex pipe to it and call it a day.
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01-08-2010, 03:53 PM	#14 (permalink)
epikeddie Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 875	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) I believe someone already mentioned the issue. Flex pipe. The vibrations / heat is causing welds to fail. You want to know something? This happens to the turbo guys too. Look at how the "serious" guys are cracking manifolds, backing out studs, and etc. with high-heat, high-vibration, high-load type of driving. You paid $117 shipped for a header with no flex pipe. It was bound to break one day. I surprised you got 3 years out of it. You can either fix that weld for $20-$30 or invest some money on a serious header setup - which I wouldn't see necessary unless you're in a specific class of racing that doesn't allow FI and need to squeeze out every HP with your current exhaust setup. Good luck on your efforts!
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emmi FUCK YOU!!!! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Whittier, CA Posts: 6,696	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) i too would not have any complaints since its an 80 dollar header piece which lasted u 3 years. heck it might not even be it's fault. what motor, diff mounts r u running?
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01-08-2010, 09:55 PM	#18 (permalink)
miata_racer Gang-Ban Organizer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pearland (Houston), TX Posts: 2,635	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) I was just confirming it's no nicer than the price And as I said....it cost me -$50 SO I'll weld a flex pipe and bring my investment up to $0
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01-08-2010, 10:03 PM	#19 (permalink)
RacingBeatMx-5 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: OC CALIFORNIA Posts: 1,424	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) Lol I want to know what mods you got just like everyone else.

01-08-2010, 11:53 PM	#22 (permalink)
LostSoulMiata Finger lickin' good... Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Venice, Florida Posts: 6,605	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) It's not a bad piece, just like sportmaxx/XXR's :rolleyes: If mine cracks or splits, I'll just weld it back up and add a flex section. I bought the header with future ideas in mind, so I took the chance for the cheap price. It's not a safety item, so I don't know why people are getting so bent out of shape over it.
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01-09-2010, 12:16 AM	#23 (permalink)
theshdwconspracy Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: PHX, the heat Posts: 1,577	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) Cracked the weld on my JR where it goes from 2-1. Just rewelded it. Shit happens. I hate cheap ebay shit but shit happens

01-09-2010, 01:03 AM	#24 (permalink)
Palmer Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: St. Paul MN Posts: 458	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) Do you hate the ebay stuff, or so you hate the fact that you spent $400 on headers while you can buy something that will do the same thing for $117?

01-09-2010, 01:34 AM	#26 (permalink)
Palmer Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: St. Paul MN Posts: 458	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) Hey, I'm not trying to start a flamewar or anything, but I think it's an honest question. I'm happy with what I got out of mine for $117. Are people saying that the $300 difference is noticeable? I don't think so. Now, keep in mind this only had to do with raceland headers, not anything else that they sell...

01-09-2010, 01:41 AM	#27 (permalink)
LostSoulMiata Finger lickin' good... Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Venice, Florida Posts: 6,605	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) I know, but sometimes the most simple questions usually result in a shitstorm and dyno charts when comparing HP items
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01-09-2010, 01:52 AM	#28 (permalink)
theshdwconspracy Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: PHX, the heat Posts: 1,577	Re: Raceland STILL = shit (pic inside) My 400 dollar headers were free. They are ceramic coated and they fit under the JR supercharger. IDK if racelands do, i don't think that they do. Idk about hp numbers, there isnt much gain from them anyways. I just hate that one company pays x dollars for research/development then charges a fair rate for the time and work that went into a product. Then company B grabs said product copies it, manufactures it in BFE and sells it for less(reflecting NO r&d and said drop in quality). Meanwhile, company A, the R&D forward, quality company struggles to stay in business cause noone buys their product because 80% of tuners are broke ass ricers. I don't really care, thats just how i feel about the industry.

01-09-2010, 02:59 AM	#30 (permalink)
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