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Old 10-01-2012, 01:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I can't afford a paint job right now. What would you suggest? I know she needs to be buffed out and would like to know what type of wax would work for my 90 red Miata.
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if your paint is faded to where you barely have any clear, or you don't have any clear left... try opti-coat by optimum
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If his miata is red...it's single stage.
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Turtle wax works good on 91+ miatas. Not sure about 1990.


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If his miata is red...it's single stage.
This would explain why the one time I took a buffer to an NA, the pad was red instantly.
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If the paint is faded you will have to use a polishing compound to remove the dull dead paint. Then you can wax it. I use Turtle Polishing Compound and Johnson's Paste car wax.
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Gonna warn you up front. You've gotta be prepared to pay to play. A wax will not do any type of correction when it comes to oxidation. When I bought my car, it was heavily oxidized and swirled. Luckily, I have the tools to do a full correction and I did it over a couple of full, hot days.
This is the compound and polish that I use. YOU WILL GET VERY LITTLE RESULTS HAND POLISHING. At least a Porter Cable 7424XP is necessary. And clay bar is extremely important, that is how you set your paint up for correction.
http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-734-a...isher-kit.aspx

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Wow, thats a huge difference!
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I used this product called "automagic gs-1" it's very rich and contains a little oil...

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Gonna warn you up front. You've gotta be prepared to pay to play. A wax will not do any type of correction when it comes to oxidation. When I bought my car, it was heavily oxidized and swirled. Luckily, I have the tools to do a full correction and I did it over a couple of full, hot days.
This is the compound and polish that I use. YOU WILL GET VERY LITTLE RESULTS HAND POLISHING. At least a Porter Cable 7424XP is necessary. And clay bar is extremely important, that is how you set your paint up for correction.
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That being said I have had decent results using Meguiars Ultimate compound by hand on a faded single stage red car. Be prepared to spend some time on it. If you're one of those people who say things like "omg I spent a whole hour and a half detailing my car"... detailing probably isn't for you.
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Be aware that the best wax and detail is totally different for those that don't have 1990 Miatas.



Anyways, i just used the full Meguiars line on the MX6, which also has single stage red paint.

I have an "after."



Check my build thread for befores. It was TERRIBLE.
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That being said I have had decent results using Meguiars Ultimate compound by hand on a faded single stage red car. Be prepared to spend some time on it. If you're one of those people who say things like "omg I spent a whole hour and a half detailing my car"... detailing probably isn't for you.
Yep. I won't completely knock on store bought, and Megs makes some damn good products, which unfortunately they do not supply anywhere but online. I spent probably a total of 20 hours on the paint between washing, claying, taping off plastics, and going through a 2-stage correction. And then washing again, with finishing touches like dressing plastics and rubber. Detailing isn't to be underestimated. It's a lot of work.
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Yep. I won't completely knock on store bought, and Megs makes some damn good products, which unfortunately they do not supply anywhere but online. I spent probably a total of 20 hours on the paint between washing, claying, taping off plastics, and going through a 2-stage correction. And then washing again, with finishing touches like dressing plastics and rubber. Detailing isn't to be underestimated. It's a lot of work.
Oh yeah, plenty of people underestimate it. These days I'm all about their Mirror Glaze line of compounds with my Makita 9227c. The Ultimate Compound can actually be found in stores, I still keep some around for places i can't reach with a buffer.
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Oh yeah, plenty of people underestimate it. These days I'm all about their Mirror Glaze line of compounds with my Makita 9227c. The Ultimate Compound can actually be found in stores, I still keep some around for places i can't reach with a buffer.
I just got hooked on Adams when I was 15. I liked the customer service, the full detail videos, and the fact that even down to the bottle, it's all made in the USA. I'd love to try out Megs M105 and M205. That's what I see a lot of guys use and they produce awesome results.
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OK, I once too a buffer to a section of a friend's 92 faded red NA. Gave up right away since the pad turned red right away so I stopped, figuring I was taking paint off, there must be no clear coat to polish. Are you guys saying that's normal, and if I had kept going I could've gotten a shine out of it? What pads and compound do you guys recommended for faded red NA miata paint? Am I suposed to clay bar it first? Because I tried to Clay it, and it just never got smooth.
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The pad turned red because there is no separate layer of clearcoat in this case (single stage paint). It's working just like buffing any cleared paint, except when you take off clearcoat you don't see it as it's not pigmented.

So, yes, had you kept going it would have produced a shine.

Pads and compounds are a preference thing. I like the Meguiars Mirror Glaze line, and currently use Lake Country pads.

Yes, claybar first.
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Blackfire Wet Diamond paint sealant to finish it off. I can't get enough of that stuff.
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I can attest to the power of Megs 105 & 205. I use a Porter Cable 7424xp and 5.5" Lake Country Pads. An orange pad with the 105 and a gray pad with the 205. I feel that the correction abilities of 105 would be better if I tried it with a more abrasive pad. With an orange pad it won't remove medium scratches. I did a friend's '85 Corvette most recently, and while it turned out great, the plastic bumpers on the car were just too far gone to bring back to a deep, full shine (paint was also cracking/crazing on the bumpers). A before/after sample panel:



The thought of wet sanding it crossed my mind, but with the paint cracking/crazing, I thought it too risky. And really, the bumpers need to be resprayed at that point. I also thought that a more aggressive pad and/or compound would have given better results. But I was working with what I had. I've also read that Corvettes generally have a tough clear coat. I don't know how far back that applies, but I'd say with the car being 27 years old and somewhat well cared for (garaged most it's life), it turned out looking overall great.

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I ended up learning all of the car's faults while detailing it. I also gained an appreciation for the styling of the C4 which I've mostly been indifferent about before detailing that car.

The first car I did paint correction on was my own black '97 Miata. I had suspicions that my car had been partially resprayed some time in it's life because I have clear coat peeling and flaking off of the lower rock guarded half of the driver's fender. There's no indication in the car's history that shows an accident, CARFAX or otherwise. Anyways, being that all the solid colors (non-metallics) on NAs are single stage, I knew it'd been resprayed with base/clear at some point.

After detailing it, I found that 2/3 to 3/4 of the car had been resprayed with base/clear (decklid, driver's quarter, rear bumper and hardtop (hardtop was bought separately from the car) were still single stage). Well, the Megs 105/205 did wonders for my paint. What little oxidation I had (very, very minor), and all the swirls were gone. Results:





The hard top showed the biggest improvement since it was major swirl city. I'm planning on polishing my car again soon and looking into water filtration and washing supplies so I can start washing at home (on a deep well and the water is very hard, high in iron). I'm finding that the local quarter wash that I go to, while decent, and taking precautions with the brushes there and not overly scrubbing, is causing swirls to come back quicker than I'd like.

I've also found that Megs Scratch-X seems to be a more aggressive compound than 105 since it's removed, or lessened, scratches the 105 couldn't deal with. Again, that could be down to just needing to use a more aggressive pad.

And doing paint correction by hand is doable, but it's going to be a massive amount of work. Even with a machine buffer it's more work than people realize, as others have already said in the thread as well.

Oh, and I use Megs Ultimate Syn Wax. I've used both the liquid and paste. A single light coat is all the wax requires. A heavy coat of the stuff doesn't do any extra good and just makes it difficult to wipe off.

All of that aside, what wax will work best, after you buff and polish the car, is going to be down to personal preference. Most of the name brands (including Adams, Poor Boys and the such) are going to give satisfying results. Whether they be synthetic or natural waxes, it typically comes down to the application ease/difficulty and personal preference of the shine and protection provided.

If you don't buff and polish the car, a wax won't do much besides hide a few things, give a temporary shine (a few days at best if parked outside) and not work to it's full potential. That is, in a case where the paint is needing a buff and polish (need, as in oxidation, dull/lacking shine). Clean, but swirled/light scratches paint can still let a wax do it's work.

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As we have said, wax won't do any correction. What wax is actually supposed to do is create a barrier between your paint, and the elements. Once you do a detail, I suggest throwing down a sealant (a synthetic wax that is VERY strong), and then a paste wax on top. Tons of protection, and the wax will give you a shine that a sealant cannot do. This is called layering, and is something many detailers do.
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I used IBIZ wax to detail my Miata. Here are the results I got by doing the whole car by hand.





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I've been detailing cars for fun with a buddy as a side job. I'm a fan of chemical guys products.We tried Meguiars and stuff before but i was not impressed.
We use the PC7424xp with usually green yellow or orange pads depending on how bad the surface is. We have a good selection of products we use/have tried but the current go to is "chemical guys v34"

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I just got an order of some CG products. Trying a couple of their wash pads and the orange degreaser. The synthetic wool pads feel good. Gonna work with them tomorrow.
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Alright, total paint, detailing and all noob here. Suggestions on taking care of my new paint here soon? Claybars, how often to go over with one?
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Alright, total paint, detailing and all noob here. Suggestions on taking care of my new paint here soon? Claybars, how often to go over with one?
What do you mean by "how often to go over with one"? Do you mean when to stop rubbing? Generally you just clay until it feels smooth. If you can see more specific dirty spots that you think you can get out, you can run over them a few more times and they will eventually get out.

If you polish afterwards, however, they will generally come out very fast with the machine so i generally don't bother spending too much effort on the clay bar. It's main purpose is to get the dirt off that you couldn't with a normal wash to avoid getting stuff stuck in your polishing pads and avoid additional scratching.

Clay bars can also be used on the windows and lights too.


If you are talking about how often you need clay bars, i think they last a pretty decent amount of time. If they start to look dirty even after folding it then you need a new bar. Depending on how dirty the cars you clay bar are, it could last a while. A proper car wash also helps.

Also a tip, i would suggest to keep all your old clay bars. I like to use them on windows and wheels.
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And if you are talking about how often you should clay a year, it is all according to the elements and how exposed your vehicle is to them.
A test to see if it's time to clay is to FIRST, wash the car, and then put your hand in a plastic baggy and rub your hand across the paint. If it feels gritty, it's clay time.
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NuFinish is the best on old paint.






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