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Old 06-26-2011, 09:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am about to invest in some basic coilovers for my daily driver. The car is a 2000 LS with 60,000 miles and Iím sure the original shocks are about shot although the ride and handling is pretty darn good now. The car might see an occasional autox or HPDE, but will spend most of its time as a commuter and spirited weekend driver. I am looking to lower it somewhat, probably run around 12F and 12.25 or so in the rear. I will also be adding an FM front sway bar a little later, maybe a good Christmas present.

The way I see it after reading everything I can find here and other sites each of these choices have their plus and minuses and make pretty good DD units.

By the way, from the pic you can see i need more low...


They are all in a price range of $650 - $700 delivered, so price is not a driver.

The Tein Basics have a good reputation and are rebuildable, while the Meganís have shock dampening; so it can be dialed soft for the street and then turned back down for some spirited driving. Meanwhile FM seems to have really sorted out the VMaxx package and have them well matched to the NB. However, they are currently sold out with no expected ETA on when they might have more.

Am I over thinking this and just need to pull the trigger on one?

Does anyone have further thoughts on the best choice ?

One last question what would be good alignment specs for a DD?

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Why? Searching for each of these three coilovers will bring up three entirely different crowds and viewpoints.

Megans will likely pull up threads about slamming the car and little from an actual performance perspective during hpde/track plus they are fairly new on the market. Who knows, I wouldn't be surprised if they offer a nice bang for the buck vs the Tein Basics but I've yet to see someone use them in a serious manner (frequent track and autox use)

Vmaxx might have more luck over on m.net where they are likely being used for street use at moderate ride heights and seeing less performance driving use also.

Basics have been around the block for a long time. I've had mine for 4 years and have really put them through alot without any failure or noticeable decrease in performance. ~15k miles of autox, track, and street use.

I'd probably pass up on the Vmaxx's just because I'm not terribly impressed by FM's suspension offerings. Sure they have been "massaged" by Fm but I'd pass and look elsewhere.
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Why? Searching for each of these three coilovers will bring up three entirely different crowds and viewpoints.
you just answered your own question. im not trying to be rude. butttttttt, if hes looking to slam, hed search megans, and find they're not track suspension and are only good for slammage, teins, are overall good but not really a track set up, untill you get in the expensive range. and vmaxx is a great choice but sold out. so searching first he would have found the answers he was looking for.
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you just answered your own question. im not trying to be rude. butttttttt, if hes looking to slam, hed search megans, and find they're not track suspension and are only good for slammage, teins, are overall good but not really a track set up, untill you get in the expensive range. and vmaxx is a great choice but sold out. so searching first he would have found the answers he was looking for.
I guess I had pity and gave my .02 because he made a clear and readable post. Oh how rare those are becoming these days.
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I guess I had pity and gave my .02 because he made a clear and readable post. Oh how rare those are becoming these days.
TRUTH! thinking about it, you are so correct.
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since you have done a good job with the original post.

i recommend either stance gr+ or d2 coilovers. both are reasonably priced....


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D2 coilovers are based out of florida USA. anything goes wrong or brakes they cover it and replace very speedily.
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I would stay away from the megans and teins. The megans are for slamming pretty much as was said above. The teins could go both ways, but I don't think they are of any decent quality. I don't know much about the V-Maxx other than they are close riceland competitor (but with actual functionality really).

If you are just looking for 12" in the front and 12.50" in the rear, then consider getting a spring+shock combo. You can get some better quality items for the same money, plus you won't have to worry about corner balancing really.

The stock suspension is loose and rolly at best if you consider it from the HPDE event prespective. But thats not to say its inadequate, the stock suspension is setup very nicely, its balanced neutrally for the most part. You can make good use of gators and not worry too much about bumps on the track due to your longer travel and soft springs, which really helps in the learning department.

As for suspension, I can't really comment on the toe/castor part of it, I would stick with getting those right in the middle of the specs. but camber, go with 1 degree in the front and 1.5 in the rear. It will get you some nice even wear on the street, but allow you to take advantage of the cambered turns on the track. You can go more aggressive if you like, but you will need to rotate the tires more frequently in that case.
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Thanks for the feedback. I have probably read a couple hundred pages of posts and am not looking for slammed or the best track performance. I really like the long term repuation of the Tein's and support they offer. The D2's and GR+ are a little beyond what I am willing to spend at this time. I am looking to stay under a $1000 if at all possible.
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Thanks for the feedback. I have probably read a couple hundred pages of posts and am not looking for slammed or the best track performance. I really like the long term repuation of the Tein's and support they offer. The D2's and GR+ are a little beyond what I am willing to spend at this time. I am looking to stay under a $1000 if at all possible.
8/6 kg Basics/SS + RB hollow fsb + ES arm bushings + SM pads + re11/615k/Specs is a pretty solid setup for doing some track work on a limited budget while you learn.

That's not all under 1k but rules can be broken.
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Just wait and look for used or discounted new suspension I got my stance for cheap new on here or just get shock+ sping combo and be happy
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Just wait and look for used or discounted new suspension I got my stance for cheap new on here or just get shock+ sping combo and be happy
Yup. It seems like Flex and Stance's pop up every now and then for reasonable prices.
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I've rode on my EZ-Cheaps at most ride heights (though I'm currently tard-low ATM).

When I was 11.5" Hub-fender all around, at middle click they were very docile. The ride was as comfortable as it was when the car was stock even though the car felt like it handled the road better.

I plan on stripping the car of the rice next year to sell it under some OEM+ restoration guise and I'll have no problems leaving the Megans on it.
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I have seen many people on Megans putting them through the ringer. Never a problem. However, these people don't slam cars so maybe they are doing it wrong?

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ive been on megans for the past 4 years or so and have never had problems..ive had them on z-chassis, s-chassis, and my current miata. have had them slammed, moderately slammed, and track height, all of which ive been impressed. I'm always amazed at the bang they provide for the buck you pay and stand behind them 100%...i have also had my fair share of teins, and to be honest i was not impressed with the basics when i had them (s-chassis), then i rode on the higher models and saw the difference...d2s seem to have nice ride from what i hear, and i absolutely love stances..
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However, these people don't slam cars so maybe they are doing it wrong?



Been at this height for a month now. I could put it lower a ton in the front and maybe an inch in the back without removing the collars, but I do need to get out of my driveway without breaking another diff housing.

The ride quality at this height isn't really much different than when I was modslam (which is annoying as any other suspension set up at these heights), but the springs do make a bit of noise when I have a large passenger (which is a mistake I will not be making again).

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Didn't mention any of this earlier because doug isn't looking to slam. =p
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I have seen many people on Megans putting them through the ringer. Never a problem. However, these people don't slam cars so maybe they are doing it wrong?

I love assumption junction up in this section.
No "these people" you speak of don't seem to share their experiences here in the Miata world. I'm sure you are correct that there are people using Megan kits at non slammed heights for performance driving but as far as I'm aware very few, in the Miata scene, have cared to give feedback, video, and long term reports. That was simply my point.
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owned tein basics for my old 03 civic si and currently pimping megan ez streets on my 93 miata. both are good, but the quality of the teins is way better, such as the coilover; after didnt really need the keys to turn the coilover even after a winter, adjusting could be done much easier than the megans- megans is cheaper quality. but as for ride comfort on the megans are great, no complaints - dont know how teins would feel on a miata, but they were awesome on my old civic.


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I'm running FM V-Maxx coils at about 11.25"F all around. I like 'em a lot. No track or AX events yet, though. Just street.
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I'm on megans, not the ez streets though, I have the megan streets
I autox, haven't gone to the track, at least not yet hahah
anyways, my NA is my dd as well and they've been holding up quite well
I've had em for 2 and a half years of normal street - aggressive driving
I've also been quite low before, not extremely low, but I've been at around 10.5" all around hub to fender
oh and here's a video of me autoxing, nothing special really lol on the video it's on full stiff up front, not so full stiff on the rears, stock fsb, rsb delete, 195/60 rt615k on stock hollow spokes of my 97s
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oh and also on my video, I'm at around 12" hub to fender front I think? and around 12.25-12.5 rears
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^I don't think you realize this but he (Norman) said track/hpde events. Big difference between track and autocross, but its good to see some opinion from the autocross side for the OP...
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oh I wasn't trying to reply to what he said (hence I didn't quote him lol)
I just read something about a video not being posted, and just decided to post an autox video of me while I'm at it
my bad for the misunderstanding I guess.. =/
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oh I wasn't trying to reply to what he said (hence I didn't quote him lol)
I just read something about a video not being posted, and just decided to post an autox video of me while I'm at it
my bad for the misunderstanding I guess.. =/
No, that's terrific. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and video as well. Good, bad, the ugly; it's just nice when people share their opinions on a product. I had seen/heard little of the Megans aside from the slammed scene.
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if you are worried about the price tag, then get yourself some used bilsteins, good springs, and ebay coilover sleeves, this set up was fun until i jumped a few train tracks and busted my rear perches (quick way to get hella slammed) so now i am back to stock
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if you are worried about the price tag, then get yourself some used bilsteins, good springs, and ebay coilover sleeves, this set up was fun until i jumped a few train tracks and busted my rear perches (quick way to get hella slammed) so now i am back to stock
So... don't do this, because it'll break if you abuse it?
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I too am interested in how the Megans hold up for DD/once a month auto-x. I've said before in other threads, but my friend has a rb25 240sx with Megan coilovers and he swears by them. Also, he's taken me on rides in his car and they can handle corners pretty well. However, I don't have much to compare his Megans to, seeing as the only other suspension I've rode with are my blown out 1990 stock shocks/springs.
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i have fm vmaxx w/ nb tophats and both sways you can order all of this in a package for like 1k if your going to get the sways then y not? i love my setup and i am maybe mod slammed.
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I have the Megan EZs and the car isnít slammed..itís definitely lower than stock..but not slammed. Car is a 97 with 15 inch tires and it looked like it had the original suspension based on the severe rust (almost 200k on the body)Ö Iíve been very happy with the Megans and I drive the hell out of this car (60 miles a day commute round trip + more miles with errands). Itís mostly highway miles and while the worst bumps are still a little rough, the Megans definitely get the job done for 90% of my travels...(10% being rougher than I prefer, but itís a small freakin car)

I was looking for something cost effective that could do a little light autocross a couple of times a year for fun while still getting me to work at some level of comfort.. I gotta give them thumbs up.
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I have the Megan EZs and the car isnít slammed..itís definitely lower than stock..but not slammed. Car is a 97 with 15 inch tires and it looked like it had the original suspension based on the severe rust (almost 200k on the body)Ö Iíve been very happy with the Megans and I drive the hell out of this car (60 miles a day commute round trip + more miles with errands). Itís mostly highway miles and while the worst bumps are still a little rough, the Megans definitely get the job done for 90% of my travels...(10% being rougher than I prefer, but itís a small freakin car)

I was looking for something cost effective that could do a little light autocross a couple of times a year for fun while still getting me to work at some level of comfort.. I gotta give them thumbs up.
How well do they work in an auto x do you think?
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Wish I could say I knew, but I don't... It's a build that in progress. It's a rough car, but had an engine/clutch/tranny swap that only had 60k on it... but had a bunch of other things crop up like to the coolant leak from a ruptured hose last weekend... coolant leak into the cabin 3 weeks before that.. the list goes on..

I drove her hard last night to see how my new drivers seat felt... I took a decent sized roundabout marked at 15MPH...well a lot faster than the posted speed limit (empty/dead part of town) and the car did great. Rear end started to come out a little actually..
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730-780 W/ shipping for megan ez streets
807 W/Shipping for Tein Basics

I think I will be ordering some Tein Basics soon.
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