Isc top hats instructions not included...

LOLFWD · 12-21-2012, 02:44 PM

So I'm trying to install my new isc top hats on my tein basics and there is a little over an inch of play between the lower top hat stop on the shock shaft and the retaining nut. What the heck? Please refer to the picture.

The guys at isc were no help as they very hastily told me to look on the website. Which says drop the top hat on the shock then install the rubber bushing washer and retaining nut. I would think in this condition they would move up and down on the shaft with all that play. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also how much should I trim the bump stops?

IhasMIATA? · 12-21-2012, 02:47 PM

Your missing a spacer that goes on there

LOLFWD · 12-21-2012, 02:52 PM

They said nothing about a spacer and it was not included in the box. That is very odd...

IhasMIATA? · 12-21-2012, 02:53 PM

call them again?
I personally didn't install these on my car, but I've seen other sets forsale used. And they all had those spacers included with the actual tophat

LOLFWD · 12-21-2012, 02:59 PM

According to this: http://www.iscracing.net/tophatinst.html

There should be no spacer, I'm wondering if this is something folks have done to install these on other things...

hnguyen037 · 12-21-2012, 03:01 PM

they're not made to fit the Teins specifically. On Konis, you have to drill out the hole to fit the larger shaft. For Teins, you need a spacer.

1vicissitude · 12-21-2012, 03:01 PM

I don't think there should be a spacer, the further that shaft is pulled up, the less stroke you are allowing yourself.

I have these hats on the rear of my car on basics, and they look nothing like that picture with the spacer. Me thinks that guy was slightly retarded. That car probably had zero suspension droop. Mine is pretty shit even without the spacer.

IhasMIATA? · 12-21-2012, 03:04 PM

Hmmmm, I might have to look into this more then.
I swear I've seen a few sets with the spacers, mine are tien super streets.

1vicissitude · 12-21-2012, 03:05 PM

Only thing I could think is the rear is way different than the front. But the NB tophats I have upfront don't pull the shaft that high either.

The spacer + the extended tophat that coilovers shaft is being pulled up like 4". That is insane.

Skinnyroadster · 12-21-2012, 03:05 PM

On BC Racing:

LOLFWD · 12-21-2012, 03:09 PM

Well since I need a spacer what should I be using for a spacer and should it go before or after the poly bushing and washer?

IhasMIATA? · 12-21-2012, 03:13 PM

Tein install w/ ISC tophats

1vicissitude · 12-21-2012, 03:17 PM

Weird, I didn't install my top hats, bought the coils used. Mine look nothing like those pictures lol. All I know is the amount my suspension will droop is very limited, even without the shaft being pulled up so high and my car is too low for my tastes. Maybe the PO of my coils did something dumb, who knows.

LOLFWD · 12-21-2012, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IhasMIATA?

Tein install w/ ISC tophats

Well fuck, I bought my basics used and they didn't come with those collar spacers, I'll have to figure something out. Anybody got any ideas what I could use?

IhasMIATA? · 12-21-2012, 03:33 PM

Maybe take a trip to the hardware store, I'll go measure mine in a little while and let you know how tall of a spacer to get.

supercharged-miata · 12-21-2012, 03:54 PM

you can grab a metal sleeve like that at Lowes, I don't know if they will have the right size but you could look. Also mcmaster car will have it

LOLFWD · 12-21-2012, 04:14 PM

OK cool, what are you guys doing for bump stops? The tein bumps seem to be a bit short and look like the upper control arms will smack the frame before the bump stop makes contact. I don't have a lot of options at this point as the car is in the air with no suspension under it and with it being xmas alternatives are going to be difficult to find.

hnguyen037 · 12-21-2012, 08:03 PM

FCM bumpstops

LOLFWD · 12-21-2012, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hnguyen037

FCM bumpstops

I don't have time to wait for them to come in the mail...

2ndGearRubber · 12-21-2012, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOLFWD

OK cool, what are you guys doing for bump stops? The tein bumps seem to be a bit short and look like the upper control arms will smack the frame before the bump stop makes contact. I don't have a lot of options at this point as the car is in the air with no suspension under it and with it being xmas alternatives are going to be difficult to find.

Use the Tein supplied ones, they work fine. FWIW: you'll have more travel without the spacer.

Drock30 · 12-21-2012, 09:34 PM

LOLFWD Whats your location?

LOLFWD · 12-21-2012, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drock30

LOLFWD Whats your location?

Near Atlanta.

Skinnyroadster · 12-22-2012, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOLFWD

I don't have time to wait for them to come in the mail...

Then put the stock stuff back in until you figure it out.

LOLFWD · 12-22-2012, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skinnyroadster

Then put the stock stuff back in until you figure it out.

I don't have the stockers, someone said the tein bumpstops will be fine so I'll rock them.

Braineack · 12-22-2012, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IhasMIATA?

Your missing a spacer that goes on there

rofl. you people...

2ndGearRubber · 12-22-2012, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Braineack

rofl. you people...

Clubroadster..... derp.

LOLFWD · 12-23-2012, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Braineack

rofl. you people...

Yea thankfully in not that dumb...

miata_racer · 12-24-2012, 11:48 AM

^^^you sure?

You bought ISC top hats. They are made for NA Bilsteins. You're putting them on Teins and wonder why they don't fit right. And you're confused there are no instructions for the wrong application.

Get creative.

Skinnyroadster · 12-24-2012, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miata_racer

^^^you sure?

Get creative.

Seriously. They didn't fit on the BCs out of the box, took longer for the gold paint to dry then figuring out to mount them and then install.

LOLFWD · 12-24-2012, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miata_racer

^^^you sure?

You bought ISC top hats. They are made for NA Bilsteins. You're putting them on Teins and wonder why they don't fit right. And you're confused there are no instructions for the wrong application.

Get creative.

Oh they are already in the car, I was referring to the laughs on the picture. I used a spacer which worked great, however I didn't put it in the order the other guy had it...

12-21-2012, 02:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
LOLFWD Noob Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 31	Isc top hats instructions not included... So I'm trying to install my new isc top hats on my tein basics and there is a little over an inch of play between the lower top hat stop on the shock shaft and the retaining nut. What the heck? Please refer to the picture. The guys at isc were no help as they very hastily told me to look on the website. Which says drop the top hat on the shock then install the rubber bushing washer and retaining nut. I would think in this condition they would move up and down on the shaft with all that play. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also how much should I trim the bump stops?
LOLFWD Noob Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 31

12-21-2012, 02:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
IhasMIATA? Wait wut?! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: lehigh Acres, Fl Posts: 760	Re: Isc top hats instructions not included... Your missing a spacer that goes on there
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12-21-2012, 02:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
LOLFWD Noob Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 31	They said nothing about a spacer and it was not included in the box. That is very odd...
LOLFWD Noob Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 31

12-21-2012, 02:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
IhasMIATA? Wait wut?! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: lehigh Acres, Fl Posts: 760	Re: Isc top hats instructions not included... call them again? I personally didn't install these on my car, but I've seen other sets forsale used. And they all had those spacers included with the actual tophat
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12-21-2012, 02:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
LOLFWD Noob Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 31	Re: Isc top hats instructions not included... According to this: http://www.iscracing.net/tophatinst.html There should be no spacer, I'm wondering if this is something folks have done to install these on other things...
LOLFWD Noob Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 31

12-21-2012, 03:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
hnguyen037 KazeSpec Engineering Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Orange County Posts: 1,068	Re: Isc top hats instructions not included... they're not made to fit the Teins specifically. On Konis, you have to drill out the hole to fit the larger shaft. For Teins, you need a spacer.
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12-21-2012, 03:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
1vicissitude brontosaurus Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Anaheim hills, CA Posts: 7,019	Re: Isc top hats instructions not included... I don't think there should be a spacer, the further that shaft is pulled up, the less stroke you are allowing yourself. I have these hats on the rear of my car on basics, and they look nothing like that picture with the spacer. Me thinks that guy was slightly retarded. That car probably had zero suspension droop. Mine is pretty shit even without the spacer.

12-21-2012, 03:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
IhasMIATA? Wait wut?! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: lehigh Acres, Fl Posts: 760	Re: Isc top hats instructions not included... Hmmmm, I might have to look into this more then. I swear I've seen a few sets with the spacers, mine are tien super streets.
	__________________ "Looks like someone has a case of the I can't beat Honduhh's" 90 NA Classic (faded) Red- Daily Driver 90 NA (Originally) Mariner Blue- PROJECT/PITA The build http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=42324

12-21-2012, 03:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
1vicissitude brontosaurus Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Anaheim hills, CA Posts: 7,019	Re: Isc top hats instructions not included... Only thing I could think is the rear is way different than the front. But the NB tophats I have upfront don't pull the shaft that high either. The spacer + the extended tophat that coilovers shaft is being pulled up like 4". That is insane.

12-21-2012, 03:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
LOLFWD Noob Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 31	Re: Isc top hats instructions not included... Well since I need a spacer what should I be using for a spacer and should it go before or after the poly bushing and washer?
LOLFWD Noob Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 31

12-21-2012, 03:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
IhasMIATA? Wait wut?! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: lehigh Acres, Fl Posts: 760	Re: Isc top hats instructions not included... Tein install w/ ISC tophats
	__________________ "Looks like someone has a case of the I can't beat Honduhh's" 90 NA Classic (faded) Red- Daily Driver 90 NA (Originally) Mariner Blue- PROJECT/PITA The build http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=42324

12-21-2012, 03:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
1vicissitude brontosaurus Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Anaheim hills, CA Posts: 7,019	Re: Isc top hats instructions not included... Weird, I didn't install my top hats, bought the coils used. Mine look nothing like those pictures lol. All I know is the amount my suspension will droop is very limited, even without the shaft being pulled up so high and my car is too low for my tastes. Maybe the PO of my coils did something dumb, who knows.

12-21-2012, 03:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
IhasMIATA? Wait wut?! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: lehigh Acres, Fl Posts: 760	Re: Isc top hats instructions not included... Maybe take a trip to the hardware store, I'll go measure mine in a little while and let you know how tall of a spacer to get.
	__________________ "Looks like someone has a case of the I can't beat Honduhh's" 90 NA Classic (faded) Red- Daily Driver 90 NA (Originally) Mariner Blue- PROJECT/PITA The build http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=42324

12-21-2012, 04:14 PM	#17 (permalink)
LOLFWD Noob Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 31	Re: Isc top hats instructions not included... OK cool, what are you guys doing for bump stops? The tein bumps seem to be a bit short and look like the upper control arms will smack the frame before the bump stop makes contact. I don't have a lot of options at this point as the car is in the air with no suspension under it and with it being xmas alternatives are going to be difficult to find.
LOLFWD Noob Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 31

12-21-2012, 08:03 PM	#18 (permalink)
hnguyen037 KazeSpec Engineering Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Orange County Posts: 1,068	Re: Isc top hats instructions not included... FCM bumpstops
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12-21-2012, 09:34 PM	#21 (permalink)
Drock30 Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 546	Re: Isc top hats instructions not included... LOLFWD Whats your location?
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12-24-2012, 11:48 AM	#28 (permalink)
miata_racer Gang-Ban Organizer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pearland (Houston), TX Posts: 2,635	Re: Isc top hats instructions not included... ^^^you sure? You bought ISC top hats. They are made for NA Bilsteins. You're putting them on Teins and wonder why they don't fit right. And you're confused there are no instructions for the wrong application. Get creative.
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