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Old 05-12-2013, 07:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Came across another soul this week that found the light. He just went from his stance coilovers to the BC Type BR extreme low kit, and couldn't stop raving about how much better it was. Amazingly he had 12k/10k setup for the street, and with custom valving said it road smoothly 0_0


Came across some internet deals of guys selling them for $900-950 shipped, and 3 of the miata communities most famous drivers (Danny G, Chelsea D, and Jeff A) all stand behind the product.

Not to sound like a sales ad, but.........why would anyone pay $500 for a shittier product?

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10k/8k rides like horse shit on the street. I doubt his are any different.
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10k/8k rides like horse shit on the street. I doubt his are any different.
I beg to differ. I have 10/8k BC's on my Miata now, and i had the same set up on my blue one. They ride really well for how low they are. I get compliments on how well it rides.

My 10/8k BC's Get Lows ride better then my 8/6 Stance's did. Thats for sure.
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Real dampers > Life-style dampers.



I wouldn't trust a product which has the words "extreme low" in the title. Hard parking, sure. But not for actual performance driving/competition.


Oh wait, these are for drifting, aren't they? Carry on.
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i have 12k/10k monoflex EMX v3 and its amazing. Stop buying shitty dampers.
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did you have your coils custom valved too dazed?

i have 18/16k bc's on my q45 and they ride like you'd expect... and i have had a lot of issues with bc in the past. had stance ssd 12/10k on my s13 and they were great. they even sent me free supporter springs when they updated their design. currently have custom valved 10/10k fortune auto coils that feel like i'm floating on a cloud, but i'd personally like something stiffer.

also, have you ever seen one of those pro guy's coilovers? they aren't the same stuff we can buy off the shelf. word on the street is all the bc guys are running coils custom built by another company.
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I have 10/8k (pbm) on my FC and it rides like a soft natural titty, still want to go 12/10k. Also, Russ' NA is 10k all around with BCs and his car is straight butter. And im pretty sure our other homie Adam is 10k all around and it rides really nice, and Deolios NB feels pretty nice with his custom valved/10k springs. We like stiffies.

I think people just get scared of stiff. Try it. Springs aren't THAT expensive.
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I don't understand the advantage of springs this stiff for the street. Isn't that 10x stiffer then stock? Doesn't the chassis flex get out of control?
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I don't understand the advantage of springs this stiff for the street. Isn't that 10x stiffer then stock? Doesn't the chassis flex get out of control?

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http://www.rallyracingsuspension.com/page12.html

Heard great things about these guys. They'll turn your cheap rebranded taiwanese crap coils into something nice.

A great resource for people who have bought used coils when they are starting to show their age.
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That price isn't bad... Good option for my buddy club coilovers in a few years. And I already have swift springs to boot! Haha
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I went the other way, BCs suck.

I had over a dozen drift days on my BC, I have had around a dozen drift days on my stance.

If your not going low BCs won't be as bad.

Those sprig rates you mentioned are way too high for a miata.

All the 3 drivers mention run BC because they got it for free.

All 3 of the drives PAID for stance. Chelsea works for BC and runs a super high $$$$ setup that is not comparable to any of the shit BC sell.
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Those rates arent too high for a miata at all... it's about a 650/550 setup.

And if you don't like them, I'm sure BC would swap them out for tamer if you call and ask before ordering.
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I don't understand the advantage of springs this stiff for the street. Isn't that 10x stiffer then stock? Doesn't the chassis flex get out of control?
The spring rates are to impress ricers and hard parkers.

No real racing/drifting driver will actually choose any of those rates.
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There are a ton of very fast track miatas running very high spring rates.

Shit, the base Xida spring rate is 700lbs front and 400lbs rear.

You really think you know whats best over Emilio and 949racing, Ast/Moton, or the countless other podium placing cars running these types of spring rates? Tons of real race miatas in autocross and time attack run 700/400 or higher. That is also the spec miata spring rate. I don't get your definition of what a "real racer" is...

For a near stock street car, yeah its incredibly high, but not for a track car.

I also would never think of running these types of rates on any of these cheap crap coils on a miata.
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The spring rates are to impress ricers and hard parkers.

No real racing/drifting driver will actually choose any of those rates.
Besides 949racing that is...

The standard rates on the xidas are 700/400, as recommend by Emilio.
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Besides 949racing that is...

The standard rates on the xidas are 700/400, as recommend by Emilio.
Yes, but 700lbs is 10k, and 400lbs, is 6k.

We are talking about 12k/10k I believe
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Yes, but 700lbs is 10k, and 400lbs, is 6k.

We are talking about 12k/10k I believe

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huh?

Yeah, you guys are correct. I am wrong.

Sorry had a complete brain fart.

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To add to this, I've got fortune auto's with 7k/5k swifts and I want to go up on my spring rates.

I've read a few threads on this, and it seems that the internals won't be damaged or stressed if you go up ~2k (112lb/in), but any farther than that will lead to premature wear/failure. How true is this?
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To add to this, I've got fortune auto's with 7k/5k swifts and I want to go up on my spring rates.

I've read a few threads on this, and it seems that the internals won't be damaged or stressed if you go up ~2k (112lb/in), but any farther than that will lead to premature wear/failure. How true is this?
You could try 9k springs on the front and moving your 7k spring to the rear and they wont need a revalve, but you'd need to play with the knob a little to find the best ride.

If you go up too much then the springs will over power the dampers and it probably won't feel good.
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You should just email fortune auto and discuss what they think is best with their dampers.

I don't think it would damage anything, probably ride like crap though since it was never valved for high rates.

Fortune can revalve, which would be your best bet. Nothings worse than a strong spring with an overwhelmed damper. Car will bounce around like a pogo stick if its too stiff.

I have no idea what is acceptable on those dampers, which is why I am saying email them. Fortune will know best, and I hear they have great customer service.
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I went the other way, BCs suck.

I had over a dozen drift days on my BC, I have had around a dozen drift days on my stance.

If your not going low BCs won't be as bad.

Other way around for the majority of us that swapped from Stancefags to BCs. Everyone is to the point where they had to take out the collars of the stance and ride like shit, but the revalved BC's ride like butter at the same height and stiffer springs. No more bottoming out, and no more clenching of the butthole.
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Other way around for the majority of us that swapped from Stancefags to BCs. Everyone is to the point where they had to take out the collars of the stance and ride like shit, but the revalved BC's ride like butter at the same height and stiffer springs. No more bottoming out, and no more clenching of the butthole.
Yeah I had custom valved shit made by Chelsea too.

BCs dont even go low.

lowest settings on BC (barely tucking tire while rolling)



on stance without removing collars, goes a whole inch lower than this:



I rarely bottom out, and I've driven over 15hrs straight and back from the track before.
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Honestly, I wouldn't give a shit about ride height if I paid a lot of money for coilovers, function > form. Screw this whole "which coilover can get you lower" bs.
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There have been various model changes to the Stance coils, some can slam, some aren't as friendly. Just like the BC get low package can't be compared to a normal BC coilover.

Like many of the crappy rebrand coils what generation you have isn't marked, because you the customer are all part of their R&d. To argue that yours could go lower might not mean shit too the next guy if he has a different generation.

This fanboi argument is founded upon missing information and is quite pointless without it. The quality control and generational variance among the same model coilover makes it useless to compare them without all the facts.
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Okay. This thread is starting to give me cancer,

Some of you seem to have more money than sense.

If you want to go low, I can recommend two ways. The first, Racelands, however, if you are tight on cash like me, you can do the advanced lowering method that a lot of race cars run.

Remove the spring, cutting the spring is stupid and dangerous, removing it gives you the ultimate drop and awesome stiffness.
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There have been various model changes to the Stance coils, some can slam, some aren't as friendly. Just like the BC get low package can't be compared to a normal BC coilover.

Like many of the crappy rebrand coils what generation you have isn't marked, because you the customer are all part of their R&d. To argue that yours could go lower might not mean shit too the next guy if he has a different generation.

This fanboi argument is founded upon missing information and is quite pointless without it. The quality control and generational variance among the same model coilover makes it useless to compare them without all the facts.
Yes, I agree 100%.

I had the BC Racing custom "get low" roadster drift version made by chelsea, and I also have the stance coilovers with the best top and bottom mounts.
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Okay. This thread is starting to give me cancer,

Some of you seem to have more money than sense.

If you want to go low, I can recommend two ways. The first, Racelands, however, if you are tight on cash like me, you can do the advanced lowering method that a lot of race cars run.

Remove the spring, cutting the spring is stupid and dangerous, removing it gives you the ultimate drop and awesome stiffness.
Not really, some of us just drive for fun.

And some coilovers make the car feel like shit. Stance doesn't my car feels awesome, otherwise I wouldn't be willing to drive it all over the country.

It rides super awesome, BCs felt like crap IMO.



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Not really, some of us just drive for fun.

And some coilovers make the car feel like shit. Stance doesn't my car feels awesome, otherwise I wouldn't be willing to drive it all over the country.

It rides super awesome, BCs felt like crap IMO.
What are your pictures for? Did I ask for pictures?

Like I said coilovers are a waste of money, just take the fucking spring out.
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