First time out on r-comps. Pwnage.

mk2tmr2 · 07-20-2009, 12:06 PM

It was my first autox evar on R-comps (225 NT01's on 15x9 6UL's). I've got a lot to learn about driving on these things. What I learned yesterday is that I just need to trust the damn things. I only got 4 runs and each run was *significantly* faster than the one before. I shaved 2 full seconds off between run 3 and 4. If I had another couple runs I'm fairly confident I would have had 1st place in SSM. (I took 2nd to another Miata that beat me by .6 sec).

I did manage to pwn this guy by over a second:

Trailer queen C6 on Hoosiers...and the course we were on was pretty 'Vette friendly. A couple of fairly high speed sweepers and a pretty fast straight section in the middle that saw me on the rev limiter in 2nd.

I was happy. Next event should be better as I'll have more confidence on the tires and will be able to start faster at the beginning of my session.

nannerpus · 07-20-2009, 12:59 PM

Yep, new tires can make you feel sort of slow and silly when you're used to driving within the limits of your crappy old tires.

cheesefries · 07-20-2009, 01:28 PM

I'll never forget my first time

kabel · 07-20-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cheesefries

I'll never forget my first time

+1 I giggled like a school girl

mk2tmr2 · 07-20-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nannerpus

Yep, new tires can make you feel sort of slow and silly when you're used to driving within the limits of your crappy old tires.

You're not kidding. In addition to the r-comps I also softened up the rear sway bar because the car was previously oversteering like mad. I am literally re-learning how to drive this thing.

I did feel like a bit of a sucker for taking the first run so slowly...even though I wasn't really trying to. It ended up being 4.5sec slower than my fastest run.

johnwag · 07-20-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mk2tmr2

It was my first autox evar on R-comps (225 NT01's on 15x9 6UL's). I've got a lot to learn about driving on these things. What I learned yesterday is that I just need to trust the damn things. I only got 4 runs and each run was *significantly* faster than the one before. I shaved 2 full seconds off between run 3 and 4. If I had another couple runs I'm fairly confident I would have had 1st place in SSM. (I took 2nd to another Miata that beat me by .6 sec).

Go to the track and you'll have a lot more time to learn the new tires.

mk2tmr2 · 07-20-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by johnwag

Go to the track and you'll have a lot more time to learn the new tires.

Considering Hallett in September if the timing works out with other travel plans that are pending.

Max_Power · 07-20-2009, 03:30 PM

I think it also depends on the springs... what do you have?

mk2tmr2 · 07-20-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Max_Power

I think it also depends on the springs... what do you have?

Some lame-ass Tein Basic coilovers and RB sways. I've been to a bunch of autocrosses on this suspension. The difference yesterday was the new wheels/tires.

blackzx3_13 · 07-20-2009, 04:07 PM

Your car looked good yesterday, congrats on beating the Vette.

Splitime · 07-20-2009, 04:13 PM

You'll find those tires are alot more fun when you can actually get them up to temp on a roadcourse. They are so slippery compared to a real autox R comp.

<-- happy NT01 user

slevin · 07-20-2009, 04:23 PM

<- Also happy NT01 user.

eleven · 07-20-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Splitime

You'll find those tires are alot more fun when you can actually get them up to temp on a roadcourse. They are so slippery compared to a real autox R comp.

<-- happy NT01 user

Yeah, I was gonna ask if you were even able to get them warm? I can barely get mine warmed up on the country roads before they start making noise. Great grip for sure.

NAautoxer · 07-20-2009, 07:25 PM

my time will come... eventually..

Doppelganger · 07-21-2009, 08:18 AM

now imagine going to something like the V710

wanabgts · 07-21-2009, 11:54 PM

we use hoosier a6 and the grip they create is insane...

Glad to hear you got the slay on a vette, we have some fast ones around here.

Zack

gichan · 07-28-2009, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kabel

+1 I giggled like a school girl

using R compunds for the first time... is like going Bareback with a porn star

eleven · 07-28-2009, 05:39 PM

First thing I noticed wasnt the increased cornering grip but the braking grip. Its amazing to me how quickly I can scrub off speed w/ the NT-01's.

halfdemonpyro · 07-28-2009, 10:43 PM

cant wait to try out my 205/60 13advan A048s.....

Dilly · 07-29-2009, 04:42 AM

R888's for me.

halfdemonpyro · 07-29-2009, 01:22 PM

you know, i had friends in spec 944 who had to switch to the R888 from the RA-1 and they hated it... less grip, less feel and they wear out quicker. isint tire evolution sposed to go the other way around? dont get me wrong im not sayin its a bad tire...

theoffspring99us · 07-29-2009, 05:14 PM

<-----wishes his almost R comps weren't dead

DD 615's + snow ftl

Max_Power · 07-29-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mk2tmr2

Some lame-ass Tein Basic coilovers and RB sways. I've been to a bunch of autocrosses on this suspension. The difference yesterday was the new wheels/tires.

What I was trying to say is that the effect of the stickier tires also depends on the springs. if the springs are relatively soft the huge amounts of grip make the car get more angle at the corner and it feels even more dramatic.
For the last year I've been using 275 Hoosiers on autocross and toyo 245 on the street...
Since it's been more than a month from the previous racing event, when I drove the car with the Hoosiers this weeked it felt like a mini van taking way more angle than what it used to. I have 550 lbs/inch springs and I'm looking to move to 850lbs/inch (which will probably be too much for the streets)

Dilly · 07-30-2009, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by halfdemonpyro

you know, i had friends in spec 944 who had to switch to the R888 from the RA-1 and they hated it... less grip, less feel and they wear out quicker. isint tire evolution sposed to go the other way around? dont get me wrong im not sayin its a bad tire...

Many people have different opinions.

I've experience both tires on autox. BUT, I've driven on RA-1's in a AWD. Obviously a different feel from a RWD. It's been almost 2 years since I've autox'd the RA-1's. So I can't tell you the difference. LOL.

howangsNA · 07-31-2009, 02:22 AM

i miss my v710s

16bit · 08-03-2009, 12:46 AM

how much faster would a set of R6's in 275 then say a 225 888's on around a 1 minute track? Are they pretty much the same as full slicks or in between that and road legal r comps? I am considering getting a set when my A048's run out.

miata_racer · 08-04-2009, 01:35 PM

Another 2 sec faster and you'll be as fast as a 1.6L on street tires

https://axwaresystems.com/axorm/file...09_fin.htm#ssm
https://axwaresystems.com/axorm/file...09_fin.htm#sts

That's Andy Franco. Nice guy but just out there for fun

The R-comps will do that though. They have great grip and you'll LOVE running on them

If you want a co-driver to help you learn the tires and the car I'm always up for helping if I'm in town. Or get on dfwmiata.com and say hey in the forums. There are some nice guys there who can help.

Not trying to be mean at the beginning but just givin ya some crap

Any event pics? Are you Steve? Or Dan? And this will give you an idea how much faster you can go so you don't mind pushing yourself and your new killer grip a bit

Here's a pic of my car if you wanna look for me sometime

And here's a guy who prolly has pics of your car if you want em: http://www.autocrosspictures.net/

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Originally Posted by mk2tmr2

It was my first autox evar on R-comps (225 NT01's on 15x9 6UL's). I've got a lot to learn about driving on these things. What I learned yesterday is that I just need to trust the damn things. I only got 4 runs and each run was *significantly* faster than the one before. I shaved 2 full seconds off between run 3 and 4. If I had another couple runs I'm fairly confident I would have had 1st place in SSM. (I took 2nd to another Miata that beat me by .6 sec).

I did manage to pwn this guy by over a second:

(<pic snipped to make post smaller>)

Trailer queen C6 on Hoosiers...and the course we were on was pretty 'Vette friendly. A couple of fairly high speed sweepers and a pretty fast straight section in the middle that saw me on the rev limiter in 2nd.

I was happy. Next event should be better as I'll have more confidence on the tires and will be able to start faster at the beginning of my session.

blackzx3_13 · 08-04-2009, 02:07 PM

He is on dfwmiata, same sn.

miata_racer · 08-04-2009, 05:39 PM

Awesome...so you know there are damn fast guys who can help ya get all you can outta the car.

Andy is a long time member like I said...just does it for fun in between running over my tires in grid LOL ya it was kinda funny and made ya shake your head all at the same time

Haigog · 08-04-2009, 05:40 PM

Batou should have a few things to add to this thread. = P

07-20-2009, 12:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
mk2tmr2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 4,077	First time out on r-comps. Pwnage. It was my first autox evar on R-comps (225 NT01's on 15x9 6UL's). I've got a lot to learn about driving on these things. What I learned yesterday is that I just need to trust the damn things. I only got 4 runs and each run was significantly faster than the one before. I shaved 2 full seconds off between run 3 and 4. If I had another couple runs I'm fairly confident I would have had 1st place in SSM. (I took 2nd to another Miata that beat me by .6 sec). I did manage to pwn this guy by over a second: Trailer queen C6 on Hoosiers...and the course we were on was pretty 'Vette friendly. A couple of fairly high speed sweepers and a pretty fast straight section in the middle that saw me on the rev limiter in 2nd. I was happy. Next event should be better as I'll have more confidence on the tires and will be able to start faster at the beginning of my session.
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