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2012 Miata Competition by Good Win Racing & Extreme Speed

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)


Hey Guys,

Got some track fun planned for the new season ahead!

Mark your calendars, Good Win will be jointly hosting these events, offering GIFT CERTIFICATES to the winners and other fun. Here is the outline of dates and rules so far. Trying to keep it fun and simple!

2012 Miata Competition
Presented by Good Win Racing & Extreme Speed Track Events




Competition Dates: Best 7 out of 9 events
1. Saturday, January 14th @ Streets Willow
2. Saturday, February 18th @ Horse Thief Mile
3. Saturday, March 24th @ Big Willow
4. Sunday, April 15th @ Streets of Willow
5. Saturday, June 2nd @ Buttonwillow
6. Sunday, July 29th @ Streets of Willow
7. Sunday, August 19th @ Buttonwillow
8. Saturday, November 24th @ Streets of Willow
9. Saturday, December 15th @ Streets of Willow

Goodwin and XS will both be awarding the winners with gift certificates and trophies
1st - $60
2nd - $30
3rd - $10

SIMPLE...Championship Point System:
1st - 10
2nd - 8
3rd – 6
4th – 4
5th – 3
6th – 2
7th – 1
8th – 0
9th – 0
10th – 0

Street Class: (NA/NB = 6 of the 7 mods allowed (NB2 5/7 mods, NC miata 4/7 mods)
• 140 UTQG Tires (141+ UTQG tires are not part of the list)
• Header
• Exhaust
• Intake
• Coilovers/ Springs
• Sway Bars F/R
• Torsen/ Clutch type differential

Modified Class: (8 of the 9 mods allowed)
• 100 UTQG Tires
• Header
• Exhaust
• Intake/ ITB's
• Coilovers/ Springs
• Sway Bars F/R

• Motor swap to later 1.8's (01 and above models add this mod)
• ECU

Forced Induction Miatas in Modified Class: (6 of the 9 mods allowed)
• 140 UTQG Tires
• Testpipe/ Hi-flow Cat
• Exhaust
• Coilovers/ Springs
• Sway Bars F/R
• Torsen/ Clutch type differential
• Motor swap to later 1.8's (01 and above models add this mod)
• ECU
• Engine internals

Unlimited Class:
1. Unlimited!!

General Rules:
• All competitors must rent timing through ExtremeSpeedTrackEvents.
• All Miatas must have a 4-point roll bar installed prior to getting on the racetrack.
• Cooling and brake related mods are allowed in all classes.
• Aero and weight is unrestricted in Mod and Unlimited. Street class must retain weight/aero close to OEM . (For example: no wings, gutted interiors, chopped windshield.. Gutted door is ok, but gutted door and dash is not ok. Splitter is ok, but splitter and wing is not ok.)

Make sure you guys visit on FaceBook:
Extreme Speed at www.facebook.com/extremespeedtrackevent
Good Win Racing at www.facebook.com/GoodwinRacing

Edited on 7/26/12
 
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#6 ·
If you have a hardtop then a roll bar is not required.
^ You're asking for trouble.

So this is time attack?

After bedheadben's wreck at Willow on video, I am not sure how safe running no rollbar and only a hardtop would be.
My thinking as well. Hardtop is not a substitute for a rollbar in any situation.


On a positive note, I'd be interested in making it down for the June event assuming this takes off. :D
 
#10 ·
Would it also be divided based on Beginner, intermediate, and advance? My car is turboed but I never been on the track. I don't want to be getting in the way of everybody.
 
#13 · (Edited)
1 : 31 at Streets?? Isn't Miata Challege at low 1: 32 in Street Class? I think Sonny did 1: 30 when he put on NT01s on 9s. Last I checked, it was really low 1: 32s. Modified should get under 1: 30.

I think this is more friendly to a larger crowd of ppl (good/bad). Staying more local and from what I can tell ExtremeSpeed is much more affordable than SpeedVentures.
 
#18 ·
SV Miata Challenge had
street class at 1;30.2
mod at 1;28.? and lower
unlimited at 1;24.? and lower

sv doesnt have alot of the same guys ,but the xtreme speed event is a good starter for you guys
got damn i knew i was slow but i didn't know i was that slow. i last got 1.36.5 CW on 205 ZE912s. :(
 
#15 ·
horribleR
So, weight modifications are not allowed? or do they just not count?
For now weight mods are not part of the rules.

Bob Loblaw
Who can I send an email to clear up some questions I have about classes?
Me ;)

kung fu jesus
So this is time attack?
After bedheadben's wreck at Willow on video, I am not sure how safe running no rollbar and only a hardtop would be.
Thats a rule that XS has had since the beginning.. I just restated it since people ask me. I can talk to XS and maybe change it but thats not up to me. Speaking of this (educate me please) why do s2k's track without roll bars and miatas aren't allowed?. (FYI: I have a roll bar and wouldn't track without one..)

domkouki
very nice. this is the type of stuff i like to see !

so wahts a good time for a street class miata at streets?
Thanks! We just want to add a little more excited to our already exciting time at the track :mrgreen:. Well idk what a good time is but my little brother does 1.31.7 CW he has a stockish 95.. only mods are suspension, wheels and street tires.

kung fu jesus
Meh, it's a copy of the Speedventures/949 Racing Miata Challenge with sketchy saftey regs and vague rules.
I didn't know any other miata competition besides sv miata challenge is a copy. :|

x8mrxjohn8x
Would it also be divided based on Beginner, intermediate, and advance? My car is turboed but I never been on the track. I don't want to be getting in the way of everybody.
There are beginner, intermediate and advance groups to run in but the competition is just Street Class, Mod Class and Unlimited. You can just come out, have fun and see how you stack up against the rest XD
 
#16 ·
Please don't misunderstand me. I am no stranger to HPDEs or instructing. I love to see enthusiasts off the streets and on the track. I get a little nervous about HPDEs that aren't safe. These are dangerous enough and I tell anyone considering them that they have to be prepared to walk away from their car as a total loss or worse if they wreck. I have witnessed this more than once. Running a safe event is particularly important to me, so forgive me if I seem skeptical. That said, I am glad to see another alternative for the community. I would probably serve the community better if I just kept quiet, but I don't want to read about anyone getting hurt.

As for S2Ks, I do not remember the particulars of the stucture of the OEM hoops in the rear bulkhead of those cars. I do know the forward windshield hoop is far stronger than the Miata, which tends to fold easily in a rollover.
 
#17 ·
SV Miata Challenge had
street class at 1;30.2
mod at 1;28.? and lower
unlimited at 1;24.? and lower

sv doesnt have alot of the same guys ,but the xtreme speed event is a good starter for you guys
 
#23 · (Edited)
Interesting.

This comes at a time when Emilio has been so busy with so many other things (and who can blame him) that Miata Challenge has had to take a back burner, and so nobody has really been keeping the website for that series up to date and stuff... and I'd like to participate in a series.. just checked SpeedVentures and it looks like although the S2K and Corvette Challenge series have selected their dates, Miata Challenge is nowhere to be seen, so this might be a great alternative.

I just discovered last weekend that I really enjoy SOW, and I'm surprised to see big willow in there, but that could be interesting.

The specifics of how the turbo changes what's allowed in Mod class is kind of vague, because the turbo affects some of the modifications listed:

Modified Class: (8 of the 9 mods allowed) (Forced induction is allowed but only 5 of 9 mods
are allowed)
• 100 UTQG Tires
• Header/ Testpipe/ Hi-flow Cat Turbo replaces the header, so if you have a turbo, can you ignore this category?
• Exhaust
• Intake Turbo replaces the intake, so if you have a turbo, can you ignore this category?
• Coilovers/ Springs
• Sway Bars F/R
• Torsen
• Motor swap to later 1.8's
• ECU

I have a turbo, but the car is certainly no "Unlimited" car, so I'd be interested in running Mod. I use RS-3s, so if I'm allowed 5 mods (exhaust, coilovers, sways, torsen, ecu) plus the turbo correct? I don't have to count tires since I'm above 100 treadwear, and I can ignore the header and intake categories correct?

I'm asking here instead of sending an email/PM since I think that anyone with a turbo will be needing this clarification.

Also, weight removal was addressed by one person, but another category that should be mentioned is aero. I would like to propose requiring near-stock aero for street class but aero OK for Mod and Unlimited :) or just leave it allowed everywhere?

-Ryan
 
#29 ·
That's still really impressive for what the car is.. are these times CW or CCW?

Was just at Streets for my first time last weekend. Had a failure during second session so don't know what I'd have gotten it down to given a full day to work on/learn the track, but did a 1:29.5 CW on street tires with a passenger in the first session.

-Ryan
 
#30 ·
ThePass
The specifics of how the turbo changes what's allowed in Mod class is kind of vague, because the turbo affects some of the modifications listed.
If your car is FI then you get to only choose 5 mods plus your choice of FI. The rules were designed like that for a reason. I wanted to keep a NA car competitive with a FI car at the rules limits.

How about if we extend the Mods to 9 out of 9 and FI to 7 out of 9. What do you guys think of that?

ThePass
Also, weight removal was addressed by one person, but another category that should be mentioned is aero. I would like to propose requiring near-stock aero for street class but aero OK for Mod and Unlimited :) or just leave it allowed everywhere?
Would it be wrong to just leave Aero and Weight allowed everywhere? We are trying to make the rules competitive but at the same time simple so that everyone come can come out and have fun.

Let me know what you guys think..
-Geo
 
#31 ·
If your car is FI then you get to only choose 5 mods plus your choice of FI. The rules were designed like that for a reason. I wanted to keep a NA car competitive with a FI car at the rules limits.

How about if we extend the Mods to 9 out of 9 and FI to 7 out of 9. What do you guys think of that?

Would it be wrong to just leave Aero and Weight allowed everywhere? We are trying to make the rules competitive but at the same time simple so that everyone come can come out and have fun.

Let me know what you guys think..
-Geo
Look at Miata Challenge for clues. They already worked out the rules.

Aero, Weight, and tires are probably the three biggest factors.
 
#42 · (Edited)
I agree with Emilio. In my vintage racing events we ran various Triumph TR4s with...and without the windshield. Those cars are very close to Miata size and power, and several seconds faster without the drag and weight of the windshield than with it. Thus, I think if you lack a windshield you are properly bounced to the fastest class whether with ExtremeSpeed or Speedventures/MC (picture of me below after getting bounced up several classes at PIR....and still finishing ahead of those serious German things you see behind me...thanks to no windshield..and some well timed rain drops :mrgreen:).

Moti, you are trying so hard to get somebody to change their rules just for your car (thread at Miata.net too). Why not just add the power and run your car with the fastest classes? We all know you are no stranger to fast turbo powered track Miatas. Or, you and I can be the normally aspirated guys having our own little race fun. It must be more than a dozen years since we have run an event together? It would be great to get together again at one of these events. Hope you can make it, regardless of what class you run.

 
#44 ·
And just another point of data.
In NASA PT rules which I'm sure that Emilio is already very familiar with and maybe you too Brian, the same exact approach is taken, adding penalty points for mods.

In this current revision of the rules (ver 6.2), the mods are taking points as following (simplified to reduce pixel waste) -

Add, replace, or modify front fascia or air dam +3
Add, replace or modify a single front splitter/spoiler/wing/foil +3
Add, replace, or modify rear wing and/or spoiler +4
Vs.
Removal of the front windshield/windshield frame +7
Looks like NASA believes that either combination of front aero treatment plus rear wing = no windshield.


Moti, you are trying so hard to get somebody to change their rules just for your car (thread at Miata.net too). Why not just add the power and run your car with the fastest classes?
Funny! :D
Adding power meaning spending a bunch of time and cash and dealing with all the headaches that a modified motor will have, not to mention being harder on the car, components, wear and tear items etc...

However, if I got this correctly, the rules are written / approved by Emilio and Aaron, both of which are cool guys that I'm in good friendly relationship with :)
If by explaining my point and making them understand the reason for the proposed change I can avoid all the hassle of the above, why not?!

And yeah, you're right, it's been waaaay too long since we got out to play together.
This year things should be diffferent.

Moti
 
#47 ·
sonny car might not look the part but its fairly competative with him driving. all supporting mods, but the 1.6 holds it back. i rode in that at sow last year(?) quite fast. i like the idea of aero not affecting this class. ive got the racing beat 2 bumper and a diffuser which adds a good amount of points in MC but my 1.6L car is surly no mod class contender.
 
#48 ·
It's all driver, which is why I don't care so much where I land anymore because I'm certainly not as skilled as the top drivers in each class. Workin on it though! :mrgreen:
 
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