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Old 12-19-2013, 04:32 PM   #7651 (permalink)
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Don't take pictures with a phone and expect them to be anything other than that.
The latest iPhone does take some surprisingly sharp pictures. Also, composition is not affected by the camera itself.
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You will learn in time, even on short notice, to frame your photos better. It just takes practice

This isn't an amazing shot, but I noticed my wife and son walking in front of me, whipped the camera to my face, and took this shot:



Barely had more than a second to think about it in the moment. HOWEVER, I noticed we were walking into a dark hallway with well-lit windows (to replicate a storefront). I already had a picture like this in my head before the shot above was even taken.

Of course...if I'd have thought to up my shutter speed the first time, I'd have ended up with this (which I got by asking my wife to hold still ):

Nice spur of the moment thinking! I love when I have a shot already in my mind before I even click the shutter. I like the dramatic lighting.
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By now I would hope so, but my nearly ten year old Panasonic P&S can still take better pictures than my iPhone 4S, which isn't that old.
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Nice spur of the moment thinking! I love when I have a shot already in my mind before I even click the shutter. I like the dramatic lighting.
Thank you! I was kind of pleased that it even crossed my mind
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By now I would hope so, but my nearly ten year old Panasonic P&S can still take better pictures than my iPhone 4S, which isn't that old.
Point is, his phone takes sharp enough pictures, but his composition needs work, and that won't be improved solely by actually having a stand-alone camera.
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Don't take pictures with a phone and expect them to be anything other than that.
This is utter bullcrap for 2 reasons.

1 - Any flagship phone these days has a camera as good or better than the pro DSLR's from less than a decade ago.

2 - Any photographer that blames his tool for poor photography isn't worth his salt.

I know photographers who will shoot anyone in this thread under a table with their iPhone. Seriously epic photography on their phones. One of them teaches other professional photographers classes on how to make the most out of mobile photography.

I'm not saying that a phone is the end-all of photography. that would be ludicrous. I am saying that underestimating modern phones as valid tools of photography is foolish at best.
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Amazing work, as usual!

I took my first pic above and did a quick edit:



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Amazing work, as usual!

I took my first pic above and did a quick edit:

What do you think?
I don't think the amount of photo above their heads is contributing at all to the composition. I'd have cropped a lot of that out.

Honestly - this composition lacks a lot of interest in general to me. You either need to be way closer in on their faces, or way farther away making interesting use of the hallway's perspective. A long, dark hallway with two subjects lit by that window in the distance could be interesting to look at.
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Bryan, that photo is truly proof that photography is completely subjective. I totally disagree with Steve LOL. I mean it's not perfect, I don't think any photo is, but it's very pleasing to the eye, good composition for the most part and good use of lighting.
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I don't think the amount of photo above their heads is contributing at all to the composition. I'd have cropped a lot of that out.

Honestly - this composition lacks a lot of interest in general to me. You either need to be way closer in on their faces, or way farther away making interesting use of the hallway's perspective. A long, dark hallway with two subjects lit by that window in the distance could be interesting to look at.
I appreciate the CC! I'll play with it some more. My eye for a scene is getting better, but it's certainly not perfect.

FWIW, the top of the picture was supposed to highlight the stained-glass "TOYS" sign above the window, but it was hard to get them and the sign at the right angle at the right time--especially on short notice.

On that note, I SUUUUUUUUUUCK at posing people for pictures.
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I didn't have many pixels to work with, but, IMO, a crop like this is instantly more focused and interesting with less distraction. Some of the background elements block out the image nicely and the motion of his son's arm creates a flow that's comfortable for the eye through the image.

That little arm reaching into the light is the star of this photo. The boy's attraction to what remains unseen to us, the viewers, is the story. It gets lost in the original crop.

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I like this crop, too, for similar reasons. If I was working with the high res version I'd manipulate it such that the lit window was perfectly vertical.

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Bryan, that photo is truly proof that photography is completely subjective. I totally disagree with Steve LOL. I mean it's not perfect, I don't think any photo is, but it's very pleasing to the eye, good composition for the most part and good use of lighting.
At least it's nice to know that folks don't universally think the photo sucked . I knew it could use improvement, but I was feeling proud of myself for at least getting this much. A year ago, this shot would not have happened--even though I already had the camera.
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I didn't have many pixels to work with, but, IMO, a crop like this is instantly more focused and interesting with less distraction. Some of the background elements block out the image nicely and the motion of his son's arm creates a flow that's comfortable for the eye through the image.

That little arm reaching into the light is the star of this photo. The boy's attraction to what remains unseen to us, the viewers, is the story. It gets lost in the original crop.
I like this crop, too, for similar reasons. If I was working with the high res version I'd manipulate it such that the lit window was perfectly vertical.
I see what you were going for, and I think it's similar to what I had in mind. I think we differed on how to achieve that in composition.
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Bruce Dickinson called...he wants more lens flare

Kind of neat how everything behind the car kind of washes out warmly. Good use of lighting!
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yeah i really only use lens flare to enhance the sun that is already present in the photo which i think works.


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I just got into photography. A friend of mine convinced me to buy a camera and just snap about. I'm also new to Flickr, and not entirely sure how to grab the links for the photos.. Help?

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I didn't have many pixels to work with, but, IMO, a crop like this is instantly more focused and interesting with less distraction. Some of the background elements block out the image nicely and the motion of his son's arm creates a flow that's comfortable for the eye through the image.

That little arm reaching into the light is the star of this photo. The boy's attraction to what remains unseen to us, the viewers, is the story. It gets lost in the original crop.


I like this crop.

I agree that a closer shot or more zoom would have been better, but at least the moment was captured.
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I like this crop.

I agree that a closer shot or more zoom would have been better, but at least the moment was captured.
Yeah...I definitely see what he was going for, but like you said, it was about capturing the moment (and all I had on the camera was my 35 f/1.8)
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i just rediscovered a bunch of my super old photos while looking for make and model of my previous cameras.

can believe i took these with a point and shoot.


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Guess it just shows that it's not the equipment, eh?

Just for fun, I put 4 different pictures together to create this in about 20min. Wasn't until I published it that I noticed that I'd forgotten to clean up the table leg



Fun, though. This was my first attempt at something like this.
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Thanks! I plan on trying to re-do it later this week with a tripod so I won't have to manipulate the photos so much in post.
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