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Old 04-15-2012, 12:55 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Maybe 185 crank. 185whp is overspinning the shit out of that blower and is a terrible, terrible idea. Expect a cheap, belt eating 130whp out of a stock M45 kit and give up on upgrading it, there's no point.
Brontosaurus on point as usual. I ran a JRSC and hated it.
My greddy turbo 1.6 drove better and felt faster.

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200whp in a miata is more than sufficient to enjoy the car for years. Weight is king.
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That kit from Mikedeuce is an excellent choice for the price though. Fresh blower so you'll be good to go without any worries.


Hey bronto how much power were you making with this kit?


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That kit from Mikedeuce is an excellent choice for the price though. Fresh blower so you'll be good to go without any worries.


Hey bronto how much power were you making with this kit?


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I never installed it, it sat in my basement waiting to be rebuilt for almost a year, and after I paid to have it rebuilt it I sold it to buy safety equipment/maintenance bits for my Miata. Figured I'd rather do the responsible thing and be good to go all driving season this year . 130whp is very doable with the stock kit and is a very nice bump in power over stock. A good friend of mine is running one with a MSD box and it's definitely a good kick in the ass over stock (seeing as stock 1.6 is around ~95whp if it's healthy).

As a "bolt-on" solution I think the supercharger is definitely the better route.
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This is a very helpful thread, definitely going to invest on a supercharger.
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:36 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I agree that you can never have enough power. I started off thinking my MP62 hotside kit with 180 hp would be enough. It was for a while, but knowing that I had so much more headroom, I really wanted to see what it was like. Then I got to around 215 hp. That was awesome for a few years; I still wanted more after a while though, because I felt that although I was faster than most other cars on the road, I wanted to whoop them, and not just be a little faster. I just upped the boost a few weeks ago and had it dyno'd at 248 whp and 219 lb ft of torque. It is VERY different than it used to be; it really pulls hard below 4000 rpm. I used to have to wait a little more and it wasn't as rewarding or shocking as it is now. I'm still getting used to it and I find that going to redline is a bit unnecessary now. A bit too fast! It is a very quick car, and now when I pull away from other cars, they are long gone; I still want more though! I still have lots of room to grow: the intake could be improved with more cold air, the dummy throttle body at the intake manifold has a really thick casting of about a half an inch that could be smoothed, the engine is stock, so there's still some strengthening I could do, a 99 head would be helpful, and I could then up the boost again since I'm not even close to the redline of the blower, and my car is also a fat pig with all the AC and airbag crap and the stock seats. When I take people for rides now, they are just shocked at what it does. I get used to it. It's hard to not want more when you taste the rewards after some hard work. Maybe an MP45 could be a good way to go, because it has a much lower ceiling! Either that, or you'll realize that the low ceiling pisses you off after a while then you have to sell it and invest more money into a faster setup. Just try to figure out what kind of person you think you are! Good luck.

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To get the naughty list out their.

TDR is still selling a JRSC for the 1.6
Rotrex has a 1.6 kit with no fuel management. Possible addition of Megasquirt is the answer until they get a complete package?

FastForward - has a new mp62 kit, but with the mp62 being really popular with manufactures lately, it's caused FFWD to revise their pricing. But has a complete CARB approved kit. and it's a cold side.
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Old 05-04-2012, 09:27 PM   #37 (permalink)
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How hard is it to adapt a Rotrex supercharger to a NA car?
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Hey guys i've changed my boosting plan from turbo to super charged because of the overall reliability and less hassle. I was wondering if you guys had any recomondations for places where i could find new or used fairly inexpsensive kits for under 1500 i know i'm may be asking a lot but the google wasnt very helpfull and neither was ebay.
Turbo and a blower are both reliable in terms of daily driving, however, around the track the turbo will eventually get cherry hot, at some point it will get so hot that it will stretched your exhaust bolts and cause a boost leak, crack the turbo manifold,depending on your boost level it might even crack your block. Typically turbos wear out faster because it moves a lot faster than a blower, Heat is the enemy. I have experience all of this at the track. You can't say my setup was crappy because atsracing.net did my setup for nearly ten grand and they are one of the best mr2 tuners in the country. Turbo has its issues in endurance purposes.

The blower on the other hand is limited on power, but the power will always be lag free and consistent. I had a supercharged mr2 and 2 turbocharged mr2 pushing 350 and 455 at the wheels. Although my turbocharged mr2 was much faster, my supercharged mr2 never gave me issues. If you are planing to boost your car, you can't cut corners, do it ounce do it right. Now if your really want power and great handling then buy a 997 911 Carrera S or Turbo and call it a day, and if anyone doesn't agree, they are an insecure moron,who you should stay away from.
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Now if your really want power and great handling then buy a 997 911 Carrera S or Turbo and call it a day, and if anyone doesn't agree, they are an insecure moron,who you should stay away from.
Really... you're going to throw this out there on a miata thread arguing whether a S/C or turbo is better. Hey while you're at it, ditch all the S/C or turbo ideas and go buy a $70,000 car. You're not only in the wrong ball park, you're playing a different sport.

And just to argue with you, the 987 caymans handle and respond better than the Carrera S ever thought about. It's lighter, about the same power, and 50/50 weight distro. The turbo gets close only because of the massive power difference, but they push like none other.

Oh, and don't just take my word for it... car and driver agrees.
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Really... you're going to throw this out there on a miata thread arguing whether a S/C or turbo is better. Hey while you're at it, ditch all the S/C or turbo ideas and go buy a $70,000 car. You're not only in the wrong ball park, you're playing a different sport.

And just to argue with you, the 987 caymans handle and respond better than the Carrera S ever thought about. It's lighter, about the same power, and 50/50 weight distro. The turbo gets close only because of the massive power difference, but they push like none other.

Oh, and don't just take my word for it... car and driver agrees.
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According to car n driver:THE RESULTS ARE CLEAR: The grizzled veteran 911 GT3 won with a score of four victories in five handling tests. This leads us to a number of conclusions. Hoary as it is, the tail-engine layout is still perfectly suitable. Thanks to the six decades of development Porsche has invested in this configuration, the 911’s combination of ample power, exemplary brakes, and tenacious grip lifts the perform*ance bar beyond the reach of the new Cayman R. In this battle, scrupulous practice conquered sound theory.

DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK PORSCHE WILL MAKE THEIR CAYMAN LINEUP BETTER THAN THERE 911 LINEUP???

Cayman is a nice car, it handles well but it's an entry level Porsche. Carrera S has a bigger 3.8L engine with MORE power and also has a sports crono package option and many more. Its a complete car and also in the 911 realm. Cayman is a boxster convertible that's it. Porsche is a different ballgame but so what? we are all car people. I like miata's but that's not the only car I have or like. I'm pretty sure many people like different cars as well. Only a fool would take a cayman over a 911. You don't like what I say so what, I have driven a Boxster,Cayman and 911 c2s and the Cayman and Boxster is nothing like the big brother 911.
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Yeah, yeah... I've driven every car in Porsche's lineup in either a 996 or 997 (and many older ones) excluding the GT. I still prefer the cayman over everything but the GT2. You apparently missed the line about the extreme tire difference in their tests, and the part where the Cayman is on generation 1 and the Carerra is on generation 6. Call me a fool, but I would take a Cayman, strap a TPC Racing turbo to it, and spank the pants off of GT-3's around the track. Oh, and save $20k vs. a Turbo.

Regardless... this is a miata forum, where the difference between a turbo or S/C was being discussed. Throwing out buying a car that costs as much as a small house is hardly a valid solution.

I apologize for the threadjack, or continuing it or whatever.
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This is a miata forum, but there is no rule about discussing only a miata. I was advising the op to get a blower till you had a problem me mentioning a Porsche. You can add a turbo on a Cayman, but what happens when you add a turbo to a gt3 or standard 911, bye bye to the Cayman. I don't think your familiar with the options or potential that a 911 have.Adding a turbo to a Cayman doesn't make it any better than a 911 gt3, there is so much engineering on a gt3 or a 997 turbo that its not even in the same league. Cayman is a good car,you can turbo it and add whatever you want to it,in the end its still a Cayman and not a standard 911, nor a 911 gt3/nor a 911 gt3 RS/Nor a 911 turbo/nor a 911 turbo S/ nor a 911 gt2/ and at last it will never be a gt2 RS.You don't buy a Porsche to save 20k.Do it ounce do it right. Buy the way I just drove a 355hp 911 S an hour ago. Trust me when I tell you that the Cayman will never be in the same realm as a 911. If you go to the Porsche website and match up a Cayman R vs just a 991 C2s, you will see that the Carrera S can do 0-60 in 4.3sec,whereas the Cayman R will do a slower 4.7S with a considerably lesser overall performance than a standard 911.Cayman is a fake Porsche.
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And a new 911 is a heavy pig. Havnt driven a caymen yet. I do love me a targa s tho. Each their own. God I'm bored.
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Wtf does the last conversation have to do with anything about superchargers vs. turbochargers?

Just to add fuel to the fire, buy a used z06, add semi slicks and racing buckets, and you have a car that can kill any porsche at about half the price. They don't break and they're half as expensive to fix.
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^I used to have a Torch red c5 z06 and that cars tail is all over the place, No way it can compete against my dads 911 S in terms of handling and power stock to stock.However, corvette is an exciting car to drive due to its power but I don't even think it can compete with a boxster or cayman in terms of handling. The new c6 zo6 is an amazing deal for the buck also, but again in terms of handling its not gonna touch any Porsche. but hey I like both cars.
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:16 AM   #46 (permalink)
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turned into a boring conversation so we decided to liven it up with talk of porsche! yay for thread jacking.
ya, ill say a z06 is too hairy to drive as opposed to a 911, specially the 4s model. those things stick very well. unless of course you turn the traction control off a rwd 911...
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haha i'm glad you guys are enjoying the thread, i've already got most of the info i needed to try and head in the right direction. The next step is to get my funds in order
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I'll sell you my m45, currently installed on my car. It has ~20,000-25,000 miles on it. I'll need to trade you for the stock crossover tube and airbox as I would like to go back to stock. I'll pull it and ship it for $1100, depending on if you will trade me the stock intake.

I'll send the complete unit, as is on my car, i dont have the powercard thou just the basic set-up with the installation manual too.
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I've been looking at the complete fast forward kit, seems idiot proof, exactly what I need.
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I'll sell you my m45, currently installed on my car. It has ~20,000-25,000 miles on it. I'll need to trade you for the stock crossover tube and airbox as I would like to go back to stock. I'll pull it and ship it for $1100, depending on if you will trade me the stock intake.

I'll send the complete unit, as is on my car, i dont have the powercard thou just the basic set-up with the installation manual too.
what year is your car? i may seriously consider this
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The new c6 zo6 is an amazing deal for the buck also, but again in terms of handling its not gonna touch any Porsche. but hey I like both cars.
Im sure a C6Z06 could take on a boxster, cayman, and possibly a few other Porsches, but to say that its not gonna touch any Porsche is a bit exaggerated.

I do give engineering and refinement towards Porsche.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wheEOSdDi9w C6Z06 with stickier tires

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P9er4aaViU Porsche GT3 RS (More hardcore than your average Porsche 911)

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Now as for Supercharging, please keep us updated on your status about it ! Wish you luck on finding one and installation. Im still battling between Turbocharging or Supercharging, mostly because Im aiming for the BEGI-S Turbo kit from Bell engineering. It seems to be affordable with a cost of $1050 without shipping, best to round up to $1100 or $1200 bucks ! But since I don't trust myself with installation and tune, Im going to round up my costs to be close to 2k.
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Im sure a C6Z06 could take on a boxster, cayman, and possibly a few other Porsches, but to say that its not gonna touch any Porsche is a bit exaggerated.

I do give engineering and refinement towards Porsche.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wheEOSdDi9w C6Z06 with stickier tires

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P9er4aaViU Porsche GT3 RS (More hardcore than your average Porsche 911)

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Now as for Supercharging, please keep us updated on your status about it ! Wish you luck on finding one and installation. Im still battling between Turbocharging or Supercharging, mostly because Im aiming for the BEGI-S Turbo kit from Bell engineering. It seems to be affordable with a cost of $1050 without shipping, best to round up to $1100 or $1200 bucks ! But since I don't trust myself with installation and tune, Im going to round up my costs to be close to 2k.
yes i will once i find a nice kit and save enough money to get it lol
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My car is a 93. But I live in nc, and its on my dd. I'll have to pull it when I am on leave which is the end of june. The intall for you should only take a few hours. Also the m45 will work with any 90-97.
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how much power are you making from that kit Mr. Pot?
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Good question I have never dynod it but its fairly fast I can smoke my buddies tuned eclispe but lose to a stock wrx the kit says it runs base at six psi but mine runs at seven also I use 1.8 injectors
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