100shot

12akid · 07-12-2007, 02:35 PM

im thinking of going 100wet shot of nitrous, with intake headers full catback and fpr and timing pulled back, ????? think it would hold =]its a 94 1.8

Marty · 07-12-2007, 03:15 PM

No.

webba1 · 07-12-2007, 03:17 PM

For how long?

If more than 10 min.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty

No.

fwdtamiya · 07-12-2007, 03:23 PM

freedomgli · 07-12-2007, 03:26 PM

I'd say no. Stick with a 50 shot. If you install an uprated clutch you'd be okay up to a 75 shot. You're really risking it at anything above that unless you have a fully built motor and direct port.

http://www.turbomx5.com/nitro1.htm

freedomgli · 07-12-2007, 03:29 PM

http://web.archive.org/web/200512171...ww.n2omx5.com/

Marty · 07-12-2007, 03:35 PM

Also, for the price of a properly setup nitrous setup, you're almost to the price of a turbo setup.

Miata2nv · 07-12-2007, 03:42 PM

I would go no more than 75. Be careful, I have see 75 kill a 1.8 without a timing retard device.

Stealth97 · 07-12-2007, 04:50 PM

For a stock motor and 100 shot, I'd want direct port, a progressive controller and a damn good tune.

RotorNutFD3S · 07-12-2007, 07:17 PM

And I'd only want one header.

PcolasNA · 07-12-2007, 07:38 PM

im really surprised our motors cant hold a hundred shot.

12akid · 07-12-2007, 08:13 PM

y wouldnt it dont the miata motors hold boost, y wouldnt hold 100hot for just a lil not 100hp all day like boost???

12akid · 07-12-2007, 08:23 PM

and theres used kits every were for $350 tops lol

freedomgli · 07-12-2007, 08:46 PM

It doesn't work because there is tremendous shock loading with nitrous oxide. If you start squirting a wet 100 shot at 1500rpm without proper supporting modifications you WILL kill your motor. It doesn't work because several other people that came before you have tried it and failed catastrophically. So don't do it unless you do it right ($$) or want to blow up your motor. You will want more than just the nozzles, tank, plumbing, and activation switch. At a minimum you will also want to install a bottle heater, an ignition timing controller than can retard timing when squirting, a dual feed fuel rail and a high flow fuel pump.

chricto · 07-12-2007, 09:32 PM

somebody please correct me if i'm wrong...but isnt temperature change a major factor on stock pistons, also. i thought that the factory pistons couldnt handle the frequent temp change that n20 adds to the equation.

Marty · 07-13-2007, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12akid @ Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:23 pm

and theres used kits every were for $350 tops lol

Find me a 100 shot wet kit with:

Bootle Warmer
Remote Opener
Purge
RPM Window Switch
NOS Gauge
AFPR
SAFC
Injectors

For $350

Oh yea, and since you're adding 100HP, you're going to need a clutch. And if you're cracking the tranny, you might as well do the flywheel. So add another $700.

Stealth97 · 07-13-2007, 04:34 PM

^^ yeah that will not happen. you can get away with out bottle opener, and bigger injectors will not be needed with a wet kit. If I wanted 100 shot on a bone stock motor, here is the absolute minimum I'd need:

NX direct port kit. be prepared to drill and tap the manifold - $ 800+
with the amount of fuel your pulling off the main line your robbing your injectors.. so separate pressure regulator and line - $80
Detonation's a killer, you'll need timing control. Bipes will do it $220.
window switch for obvious reasons $50
fuel pressure safey switch $40
walbro fuel pump $200

youre lookin at $1400 bones for the bare, bare minimum. but stuff you will really need

Seprate fuel pump and line to the tank would be a big upgrade $100?
purge $100
Bottle heater $150
progressive contoller $200-$500+

a 75 shot hit at 3k is like a 150 shot hit at 6k.. so a progressive controller would be a big help.

bottom line is a safe 75 shot with the nessesary accesories for safety, reliablilty and consistancy will run you about $1000 to do it "right", but can be done with a base kit if youre careful for $500. any way you cut it more than a 75-80 shot is going to cost you.

I'm going to run up to 100, maybee 125 (w/prog controller) shot from a single nozzle, but I've got a built engine and a standalone that will control nitrous so that will make a big difference reliablity wise..

12akid · 07-13-2007, 06:28 PM

i was just saying a nos kit nothing else

freedomgli · 07-13-2007, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12akid @ Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:28 pm

i was just saying a nos kit nothing else

Yeah, but a $350 "nos" kit is going to be worthless to you if it's just sitting in a box because you don't have all the stuff you need to install and use so your motor doesn't explode the first time you squirt. Don't forget your stock clutch will only last about 3 hard pulls at 75 shot so add $250-$1000 to get that sorted, too.

PYTHON · 07-13-2007, 08:33 PM

ask jimmy he can get NOS kits

Stealth97 · 07-13-2007, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12akid @ Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:28 pm

i was just saying a nos kit nothing else

We cant wait to see your $350 100 shot setup. Just remember your new motor will cost far more.

frictionfighter · 07-13-2007, 09:43 PM

^ zang video plz. i want to see a failure.

12akid · 07-14-2007, 04:32 AM

i never said i was going do it i was just asking

12akid · 07-15-2007, 05:31 AM

ok i talked to my friend he has a 75 for 7months and then moved up to a 125 shot and then the motor gave out with just timing pulled back, he told me it would hold a 75shot good

[epic] · 07-15-2007, 12:47 PM

I don't understand why you'd want nitrous for the street.

you could get so much more power for that kind of money, and be making it all the time.

12akid · 07-15-2007, 05:55 PM

how much is a wet nos kit new 500bucks ??? lol

Miatadam · 07-15-2007, 05:56 PM

2 dollars.

Marty · 07-15-2007, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12akid @ Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:55 pm

how much is a wet nos kit new 500bucks ??? lol

Plus refilling your bottle every weekend.

[epic] · 07-15-2007, 06:48 PM

plus supporting mods so you don't blow up your engine, which, by your attitude towards this, seems very likely.

Lesisbetter · 07-28-2007, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12akid @ Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:31 am

ok i talked to my friend he has a 75 for 7months and then moved up to a 125 shot and then the motor gave out with just timing pulled back, he told me it would hold a 75shot good

125 shot on a stock (internals) 1.8 motor... Who would have guessed it would blow!?

Quote:

how much is a wet nos kit new 500bucks ??? lol

sure.

07-12-2007, 02:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
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freedomgli Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,191	I'd say no. Stick with a 50 shot. If you install an uprated clutch you'd be okay up to a 75 shot. You're really risking it at anything above that unless you have a fully built motor and direct port. http://www.turbomx5.com/nitro1.htm
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07-12-2007, 03:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
Marty Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: ATL Tricks! Posts: 650	Also, for the price of a properly setup nitrous setup, you're almost to the price of a turbo setup.
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Stealth97 bad mother f...... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Takin a Cr.net break. '08 members.. Posts: 3,173	For a stock motor and 100 shot, I'd want direct port, a progressive controller and a damn good tune.
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PcolasNA Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Pensacola, Fl Posts: 1,081	im really surprised our motors cant hold a hundred shot.
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07-12-2007, 08:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
12akid Noob Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 17	Re: 100shot y wouldnt it dont the miata motors hold boost, y wouldnt hold 100hot for just a lil not 100hp all day like boost???
12akid Noob Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 17

07-12-2007, 08:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
12akid Noob Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 17	Re: 100shot and theres used kits every were for $350 tops lol
12akid Noob Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 17

07-12-2007, 08:46 PM	#14 (permalink)
freedomgli Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,191	It doesn't work because there is tremendous shock loading with nitrous oxide. If you start squirting a wet 100 shot at 1500rpm without proper supporting modifications you WILL kill your motor. It doesn't work because several other people that came before you have tried it and failed catastrophically. So don't do it unless you do it right ($$) or want to blow up your motor. You will want more than just the nozzles, tank, plumbing, and activation switch. At a minimum you will also want to install a bottle heater, an ignition timing controller than can retard timing when squirting, a dual feed fuel rail and a high flow fuel pump.
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07-12-2007, 09:32 PM	#15 (permalink)
chricto Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 1,504	Re: 100shot somebody please correct me if i'm wrong...but isnt temperature change a major factor on stock pistons, also. i thought that the factory pistons couldnt handle the frequent temp change that n20 adds to the equation.
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07-13-2007, 04:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
Stealth97 bad mother f...... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Takin a Cr.net break. '08 members.. Posts: 3,173	^^ yeah that will not happen. you can get away with out bottle opener, and bigger injectors will not be needed with a wet kit. If I wanted 100 shot on a bone stock motor, here is the absolute minimum I'd need: NX direct port kit. be prepared to drill and tap the manifold - $ 800+ with the amount of fuel your pulling off the main line your robbing your injectors.. so separate pressure regulator and line - $80 Detonation's a killer, you'll need timing control. Bipes will do it $220. window switch for obvious reasons $50 fuel pressure safey switch $40 walbro fuel pump $200 youre lookin at $1400 bones for the bare, bare minimum. but stuff you will really need Seprate fuel pump and line to the tank would be a big upgrade $100? purge $100 Bottle heater $150 progressive contoller $200-$500+ a 75 shot hit at 3k is like a 150 shot hit at 6k.. so a progressive controller would be a big help. bottom line is a safe 75 shot with the nessesary accesories for safety, reliablilty and consistancy will run you about $1000 to do it "right", but can be done with a base kit if youre careful for $500. any way you cut it more than a 75-80 shot is going to cost you. I'm going to run up to 100, maybee 125 (w/prog controller) shot from a single nozzle, but I've got a built engine and a standalone that will control nitrous so that will make a big difference reliablity wise..
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07-13-2007, 06:28 PM	#18 (permalink)
12akid Noob Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 17	Re: 100shot i was just saying a nos kit nothing else
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07-13-2007, 08:33 PM	#20 (permalink)
PYTHON Brah. Join Date: May 2006 Location: Birmingham AL Posts: 7,478	ask jimmy he can get NOS kits

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12akid Noob Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 17	Re: 100shot i never said i was going do it i was just asking
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07-15-2007, 05:31 AM	#24 (permalink)
12akid Noob Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 17	Re: 100shot ok i talked to my friend he has a 75 for 7months and then moved up to a 125 shot and then the motor gave out with just timing pulled back, he told me it would hold a 75shot good
12akid Noob Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 17

07-15-2007, 12:47 PM	#25 (permalink)
[epic] Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: SDCA Posts: 718	Re: 100shot I don't understand why you'd want nitrous for the street. you could get so much more power for that kind of money, and be making it all the time.

07-15-2007, 05:55 PM	#26 (permalink)
12akid Noob Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 17	Re: 100shot how much is a wet nos kit new 500bucks ??? lol
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[epic] Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: SDCA Posts: 718	Re: 100shot plus supporting mods so you don't blow up your engine, which, by your attitude towards this, seems very likely.

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