Craziest swaps you've ever seen?

TheyCallMe Tim · 12-26-2009, 02:00 PM

I've been giving motor swaps a lot of thought lately as I start digging into my winter project and I've come up with some great, logical ideas, and some great, not-so-logical ideas. Trying to see if I'm completely out of my mind or if anyone else has ever thought of or even gone through with any of these.

1) Toyota 4AGE 20 valve "Silvertop"/"Blacktop" motor
- 1.6L, 20valve, ITBs, 158-165 crank hp stock
- Would have adapters made to use Miata flywheel, clutch, and trans

2) '04-'06 Yamaha R1
- 1.0L, ITBs, 175 crank hp, 6-speed sequential trans, nice weight reduction
- Would use R1 trans with custom driveshaft adapter and sequential shifter assembly, custom header/exhaust

Have I completely lost my mind or would either one of these be absolutely awesome???

j-radvw · 12-26-2009, 02:07 PM

go with #1 theres been a lot of talk about it, i thank it has been done. i thank, but if your going with i bike engine. i would go with a busa engine thay have been put in alot of cars.

but thats just me

MadVillain · 12-26-2009, 02:19 PM

ls1

Haigog · 12-26-2009, 03:15 PM

I heard some 1.6 miata owners swap the 1.8 motor into their 1.6 Miatas.

CRAZY!

Max_Power · 12-26-2009, 03:26 PM

^ LOL

Seriously go with an LS family engine and you would be super happy... otherwise doesn't make too much sense...

The bike engine won't be fun unless you do an overbored 1.6 hayabusa with turbo... the 1.0 R1 won't have the torque you need.... and swapping an 1.6 for another 1.6 it kind of pointless.

terry pham · 12-26-2009, 07:42 PM

put some sort of boxer type motor in it, and it would be dope.

paulsk · 12-26-2009, 08:53 PM

2JZ into a DeLorean

http://supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502808

Diamond Dave · 12-26-2009, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheyCallMe Tim

I've been giving motor swaps a lot of thought lately as I start digging into my winter project and I've come up with some great, logical ideas, and some great, not-so-logical ideas. Trying to see if I'm completely out of my mind or if anyone else has ever thought of or even gone through with any of these.

Pick any car engine you want and it will probably fit into a Miata. And if you factor the engine being free, it will also cost you at least $10K to shovel it into a Miata.

TheyCallMe Tim · 12-27-2009, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max_Power

^ LOL

Seriously go with an LS family engine and you would be super happy... otherwise doesn't make too much sense...

The bike engine won't be fun unless you do an overbored 1.6 hayabusa with turbo... the 1.0 R1 won't have the torque you need.... and swapping an 1.6 for another 1.6 it kind of pointless.

The thing with the LSx swaps is that if I wanted a car with a V8 I would have gone through with finishing the 5.3L swap I had half the parts for for my old Camaro. Plus I don't have the money for an LS swap, a T56 trans alone costs as much as I could get either the 4AGE or R1 motor for complete with ECU and wiring harness.

Sure the R1 would be a little lacking in the torque department, but it still has nearly 80 ft lbs in stock trim, plus the whole 175+hp@12k RPM thing I think would be rather sufficient for bombing around a road course. The big downside would be the lack of a reverse gear unless I spent upwards of $1k on a custom reverse box.

On 1.6-->1.6 being pointless, I actually have a 1.8, which in your mind would make me even more insane.

My argument is that the 4AGE is in my mind simply a better motor. Slightly more torque and at least 30 more hp in stock trim than the 1.8s factory ratings, OEM individual throttle bodies, and they are capable of a lot more N/A power without hugely breaking the bank.

Stock 20valve "Blacktop" with 75mm velocity stacks and 2.5" exhaust. 145whp/110 ft lbs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKTgi7iXBxM

LostSoulMiata · 12-27-2009, 12:52 AM

1uzfe

TheyCallMe Tim · 12-27-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LostSoulMiata

1uzfe

You sir have put absolutely awful thoughts in my head. I may not sleep tonight after watching videos of ITB'd 1UZs for the past hour.

I'll be calling up a friend of mine who is swapping one into a a Supra and see how it's going, I wonder how much of a pain it is and what trans he's using. A 4.0L V8 with ~265hp in the 'ol roadster sounds like a screaming good time...

LostSoulMiata · 12-27-2009, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheyCallMe Tim

You sir have put absolutely awful thoughts in my head. I may not sleep tonight after watching videos of ITB'd 1UZs for the past hour.

I'll be calling up a friend of mine who is swapping one into a a Supra and see how it's going, I wonder how much of a pain it is and what trans he's using. A 4.0L V8 with ~265hp in the 'ol roadster sounds like a screaming good time...

That's what I'm here for

fms01 · 12-28-2009, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheyCallMe Tim

1) Toyota 4AGE 20 valve "Silvertop"/"Blacktop" motor
- 1.6L, 20valve, ITBs, 158-165 crank hp stock
- Would have adapters made to use Miata flywheel, clutch, and trans

I have been thinking about this for a while because after buying a turboed NA6 and deciding I don't like turbo's. My other road car is a AE92 with a 20V. There is a guy on the club4ag forum that developed a bell housing adapter for the miata 6spd to 4AG. It also involved a modified input shaft and was quite expensive from memory. I would likely just make a custom adapter plate and mix and match clutch gear to suit.

Another "potentially" simpler fitment solution would be a 3SGE Altezza (2L, 200hp). These come with a 6spd box which is from Aisin and the same as the miata (and S15) 6spd. I was never able to find out for sure but I was hoping the central casing and output shafts were common to all the gearboxes so all you needed to do was swap the rear housing to fit it to a miata powerframe. The engine is also likely to be taller than a B6/BP so a bonnet bulge or something may be req'd too.

Cheers,
Julian

Max_Power · 12-28-2009, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheyCallMe Tim

The thing with the LSx swaps is that if I wanted a car with a V8 I would have gone through with finishing the 5.3L swap I had half the parts for for my old Camaro. Plus I don't have the money for an LS swap, a T56 trans alone costs as much as I could get either the 4AGE or R1 motor for complete with ECU and wiring harness.

Sure the R1 would be a little lacking in the torque department, but it still has nearly 80 ft lbs in stock trim, plus the whole 175+hp@12k RPM thing I think would be rather sufficient for bombing around a road course. The big downside would be the lack of a reverse gear unless I spent upwards of $1k on a custom reverse box.

On 1.6-->1.6 being pointless, I actually have a 1.8, which in your mind would make me even more insane.

My argument is that the 4AGE is in my mind simply a better motor. Slightly more torque and at least 30 more hp in stock trim than the 1.8s factory ratings, OEM individual throttle bodies, and they are capable of a lot more N/A power without hugely breaking the bank.

Stock 20valve "Blacktop" with 75mm velocity stacks and 2.5" exhaust. 145whp/110 ft lbs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKTgi7iXBxM

Money is always an issue for everyone but the problem with every swap is that you really don't know how involving it would be before you finish it.

I don't know your skills but if you are not a machinist it can be expensive fabricating every piece that might be missing and towing the car to the machine shop whenever it needs to be there.
I would say start a list with all the parts that you need and their cost, then do the same with the parts that you don't have and their estimated cost.
People in the swap forums usually suggest to double or triple the estimated cost

but I guess if you do a very good analysis you might be only a little bit off.

My advice if you don't have tons of money would be to add a turbo or SC at your current engine and see if you like that...

jux · 12-28-2009, 09:57 AM

While it might not be "insane", a buddy of mine is putting a twin turbo GM V6 into his '74 MGB GT. Project's on hold until he gets his new garage/shop built.
He'll be doing most of the fab himself aside from the front subframe, custom water pump, and rear suspension.

Avionator · 12-28-2009, 12:41 PM

jux, please post more pictures of that when it's done... i'd love to see those rear wheel wells filled!

flat_black_na · 12-28-2009, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haigog

I heard some 1.6 miata owners swap the 1.8 motor into their 1.6 Miatas.

CRAZY!

wow thats pure fuc^^ng insanity!

jux · 12-28-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by skiboyjake

jux, please post more pictures of that when it's done... i'd love to see those rear wheel wells filled!

Will do. The rear tires will only be 315s (pictured are either 285 or 295. forget which, as I took these maybe 6 months ago). The sheet steel you see will be cut down eventually; they'll be the inner wheel wells and totally covered by flares.

wankle · 12-28-2009, 05:51 PM

na 20b.

jdmEUNOS · 12-28-2009, 07:28 PM

This is probable by far the craziest I've ever seen.

flat_black_na · 12-28-2009, 09:12 PM

i want to swap a s54 into my car.

chris850 · 01-26-2010, 05:49 PM

heres a crazy one for you and its in a miata

V12 MIATA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZLnrOeu0KE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeZWxZqcVug

darkdrifter · 01-26-2010, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wankle

na 20b.

this.

vejatabul · 01-26-2010, 07:20 PM

I have been dreaming of putting a 1300cc Busa' motor in a car for years. Anyone who talks about bike engines not having enough torque is completely missing the point. If you want 10,000+ RPM, surely you do NOT want low RPM power. I am in no way interested in making any power below 4500rpm in any car that I own. Call me crazy, but I like RPM, and lots of it. I don't mind having to rev a motor to make the car move. Considering that you will only have, on average, around 2000 RPM or less of spread between peak horsepower and peak torque, I want my torque peak to occur as late as possible.

With that said, I want either a 4AGE or a bike engined Miata, preferably the Busa', due to the strength of the transmission.

A little resource...
http://biketransplant.tripod.com/background.htm

vejatabul · 01-26-2010, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkdrifter

this.

My only other dream in life...A peripheral port N/A 20B...

Myrmidon · 01-27-2010, 10:42 AM

I think my favorite swap was one that was done on a 3rd gen supra.

They took out the 2jz in favor of a 3sgte to make the car mid-engined and compete in the smaller class.

Apparently it did really, really well.

Verwah · 01-27-2010, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myrmidon

I think my favorite swap was one that was done on a 3rd gen supra.

They took out the 2jz in favor of a 3sgte to make the car mid-engined and compete in the smaller class.

This sounds stoopid. Why would they remove a turbo six and replace it with a turbo four? Not only that, they bastardize the chassis and negate any dynamical balance that was built into the car. I'm suprised it did well.. They could have just used the MR-2, or Celica the engine came from.

LostSoulMiata · 01-27-2010, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Verwah

This sounds stoopid. Why would they remove a turbo six and replace it with a turbo four? Not only that, they bastardize the chassis and negate any dynamical balance that was built into the car. I'm suprised it did well.. They could have just used the MR-2, or Celica the engine came from.

Top Secret GT300 class car

http://www.topsecretjpn.com/gt300.shtml

Verwah · 01-27-2010, 02:07 PM

yeah yeah yeah. I know about that car. I also know that almost all of the JGTC cars use the 3SGTE. The ones that don't use the 5.0 V8 anyway. Those are getting phased out. That is not a Typical 3SGTE anyway.

In retrospect, I first thought of "mid-engined" as moving the engine to the rear of the car. That is what I thought was dumb. But after thinking about it, using the shorter 4cyl allows the entire engine to reside behind the front wheel hubs. This is probably what coined it a 'mid-engined car'

Myrmidon · 01-27-2010, 11:15 PM

That car also makes almost 800 HP. More then a well-modded 2jz will make.

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