Feeler:SR20DE/T Swap Kit Group Buy Interest?

Kyo · 09-14-2010, 11:38 AM

Got the Ok to post from "timallen" so here we go.

This is a Feeler thread to see if there would be enough interest in me Doing a Group buy for our Sr20det Miata Swap Package? I am now the U.S.A Distributor for Thai-Phoon Pty Ltd and there wonder full Mount Setup.
Some of you have seen this setup in use on Andy's White Miata. and now you can buy it from me right here in the US.

PRICE WOULD BE ABOUT (for complete set up, Including mounts and oil pan!)
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Price after Group Buy $3,200
If I get 3 interested party's Price is $3,000
If I get 5 or more interested party's Price is $2,850

INFO (as from Thai-Phoon Pty Ltd website)
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Thai-Phoon Pty Ltd with the assistance of ALLTUNE Engineering have produced an engine install kit to install a Nissan SR20DE or SR20DET engine and Nissan 5-speed manual transmission into a Mazda Miata (MX5). And it is with Great pleasure that I am able to offer there work, for sell here in the USA.

The Miata-SR20 Conversion Kit allows for the installation of the Nissan SR20DE and SR20DET engines into the Mazda Miata (MX5).No modification is required to the bonnet of the Miata and only minor modification is required to the firewall to allow clearance for the turbo exhaust outlet.Any of the Nissan SR20 engines are suitable for the conversion.

The SR20DE(T) Sump Kit has been designed to specifically clear the front cross member and steering column in the Mazda Miata (MX5). The Sump Kit is an integral part of the conversion. It is the key to allowing the fitment of the SR20DE(T) engine with no cutting to the engine bay or bonnet.

If you would like to review the Install Instructions before you commit yourself please PM me for a copy.

PHOTO'S
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Set up bolted to Engine and Transmission

Eng mounts and PPF bracket

Oil Pan

Please No neg. Comments or BS in this thread if you have a question not directly concerning the above group buy feeler please feel free to PM me any time.

If there is enough interest, I will Start up the Group buy for CR

Thank You
~Forrest (Kyo)

jesseclee · 09-14-2010, 12:10 PM

Not that I can afford it at the moment, but I just want to say this is an awesome kit!

1vicissitude · 09-14-2010, 12:14 PM

Does this allow use of our ppf, or will we have to hard mount the transmission? Any idea if the ka24 will work with this?

kit looks nice. Wish I had the funds for this.

Kyo · 09-14-2010, 12:34 PM

jesseclee-- Thanks

1vicissitude-- You retain the use of your PPF.
KA24DE / SR20DE / SR20DET Should all work the Same they use the same mounting.
The KA does weight a bit more. While with the SR you keep the miata's weight and balance.

1vicissitude · 09-14-2010, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyo

jesseclee-- Thanks

1vicissitude-- You retain the use of your PPF.
KA24DE / SR20DE / SR20DET Should all work the Same they use the same mounting.
The KA does weight a bit more. While with the SR you keep the miata's weight and balance.

What about the pan though? I take it the pan is not swapable between the ka24 and sr20 right? I just like the idea of a Ka24 because in places like Cali one could actually get it smogged, plus the torque on those is nice.

The White Miata · 09-14-2010, 01:20 PM

They sell adapter plates...

my friend is running a high capacity sr20 oil pan on his KA-t

Spocknasty · 09-14-2010, 01:41 PM

Oh man you throw this on me right as I start sourcing turbo parts...hmmm.

Kyo · 09-14-2010, 02:04 PM

1vicissitude--- Like "The White Miata" says I have seen people run Sr oil pans on Ka's
but you would need a adapter they do not bolt directly up to each other (KA/SR oil Pans that is)

The White Miata--- Any idea where you friend bought his adapter?
how much "thickness" did it add?
that would be my only concern given this is ment to be bolted directly on to a SR block with no adapter. and the mounts and oil pan are designed to work together to get the best mounting position.

Spocknasty-- At least it was at the start of collecting not at the End

...
the SR20 is a great motor. definitely gives you something to think about...

georgesir83 · 09-14-2010, 02:13 PM

fuuuuuck why didnt u post this like 2 weeks ago i would of done it for sure
fuck now i regret buying my canon 7d i would of bought this instead...

will u still have this deal in like a month or 2?

Miatadam · 09-14-2010, 02:21 PM

This is an awesome kit, first of any swap kit I've EVER seen that retained the PPF.

The White Miata · 09-14-2010, 02:27 PM

Xcessive

His oil pan clearly has SR20 stamped on it

Kyo · 09-14-2010, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgesir83

will u still have this deal in like a month or 2?

Yes more then likely i will. Sending off your E-mail as I type..

Miatadam--- Thanks, yes Retaining the PPF is one of the main points as to why I chose to stand behind this kit.

The White Miata-- thanks for the link. (but it is not working on my work PC. I will give it another go at the house. most likely just on my end)

Kyo · 09-15-2010, 12:09 PM

PM's Returned
I read the link I do not think that would work with this oil pan.
so I would have to say SR20DE/T only 1vicissitude

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B-mar · 09-16-2010, 09:40 AM

Your going to need a custom line for your slave because you wont be able to reach it.

If you were to do a aftermarket intake manifold you will have to possibly have to run pipping over the rad

You also have to shave the bottom of the transmission because it will sit's lower than the oilpan

Your going to need a custom drive shaft along with a custom downpipe

It requires alot but its a fun swap and well worth it =)

Kyo · 09-16-2010, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B-mar

It requires alot but its a fun swap and well worth it =)

Very True.
But the Shaving of the transmission is optional, but if you do decided to do it it is very minimal. here are some pics. ( they belong to Andy from RD.net ) doing so just allows that little extra ground clearance..
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and a Stock or other down pipe will work.. custom one can also be used.
with stock you only need about 2-3mm of room to be made (see op about clearance for the turbo exhaust outlet)

B-Mar have you used this Kit before? it sounds like you may have, if so I would love to get some photos and a review from you.. Send me a PM.. Thanks

Diamond Dave · 09-23-2010, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyo

Got the Ok to post from "timallen" so here we go.

This is a Feeler thread to see if there would be enough interest in me Doing a Group buy for our Sr20det Miata Swap Package? I am now the U.S.A Distributor for Thai-Phoon Pty Ltd and there wonder full Mount Setup.
Some of you have seen this setup in use on Andy's White Miata. and now you can buy it from me right here in the US.

I've always said the build quality of this kit looks to be outstanding, but I've never heard or seen one installed on a LHD car. Do you have any pictures of an install on a LHD car?

Also, is the engine a solid mount to the subframe or does it use the Miata bushing? What's the capacity of the oil pan? Does this kit use the factory 15* angle for the engine or does it mount flat (for the people asking about the hammerhead oil pan, this is the primary issue you can't use that)?

Good luck, I hope it works out.

s!lv!a · 09-23-2010, 07:36 PM

Man I wanna swap a KA into my miata... hmmm....

And just for the record, the SR with accessories/everything is only ~35-40 lbs lighter than the KA with accessories/everything.. you just have to consider that even though the SR has an aluminum block, it also has a turbo/IC/etc. that the KA doesn't have because it's N/A..

KAFTMFW!! I miss torque...

B-mar · 09-23-2010, 11:18 PM

It still isnt finished, fitment is pretty bad ass everything looks stock and from under the car. The transmission brace looks like something that belongs on a transformer.

dgmorr29 · 09-24-2010, 10:30 AM

What needs to be done with the hubs, axles, diff, and driveshaft?

Kyo · 09-24-2010, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diamond Dave

I've always said the build quality of this kit looks to be outstanding, but I've never heard or seen one installed on a LHD car. Do you have any pictures of an install on a LHD car?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diamond Dave

Also, is the engine a solid mount to the subframe or does it use the Miata bushing? What's the capacity of the oil pan? Does this kit use the factory 15* angle for the engine or does it mount flat (for the people asking about the hammerhead oil pan, this is the primary issue you can't use that)?
Good luck, I hope it works out.

-it uses the Factory Miata eng. mount bushing..
-3.5 Liters (will get back to you on the angle I would like to confirm first)
Thanks I hope it all works out as well..

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgmorr29

What needs to be done with the hubs, axles, diff, and driveshaft?

Hubs, Axles, diff can be left alone or upgraded as you see fit...
you will have to have a driveShaft made..

Diamond Dave · 09-29-2010, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgmorr29

What needs to be done with the hubs, axles, diff, and driveshaft?

Axles and differential were spec'd for ~110tq, so they'll work like you think they would with ~220tq

The wings on the differential carrier are notorious for breaking (since they are designed that way).

Any driveline/driveshaft shop should be able to take a S13/S14 drive shaft, shorten it, and put a Mazda yoke on the back end.

Thanks for the additional photos. That looks like a stellar quality kit. Surprised at the small oil capacity though. What's the purpose of the baffle they made that bolts to the bottom of the engine?

Also, in this picture it looks like the engine is very close to the factory mounting angle.

xdumbxguyx · 09-29-2010, 10:52 PM

u would have to use a miata driveshaft and use an s13 or s14 head and have a driveshaft place weld it and balance it. The 240sx driveshaft has a carrier bearing which miata's dont.

xdumbxguyx · 09-29-2010, 10:53 PM

also what is the turn around time if someone hops on the group buy?

Kyo · 09-29-2010, 11:45 PM

while you can hack and weld together old drive shafts in to one New one.
The Best Solution is to have a new one piece alum. Drive Shaft Made. most any 4x4 / off road or drive shaft shop can make this for you..

as for turn around ,
I intend to run the group buy into late Jan. Early Feb. to allow people to save up the cost (maybe use there income tax return)

ect. Payment would not be needed in tell group buy closes ( a Deposit however would be needed ), Parts would be ordered at end of group buy.

Even If no one takes part in the group buy, I will still be ordering my Stock at that time and you would be able to oder off my website then..

Thank you

jdmfc3s90 · 09-30-2010, 10:18 AM

Very cool swap kit. I like everything i see here. It would be a fun project to get into. On a totally different subject but not unrelated, I would love to see this type of kit for a rotary swap.

TurboTyla · 09-30-2010, 10:39 AM

damn this kit looks very on point with its quality. But brackets and oil pan for 3k ? little steep.

But the product looks very good. But still seems to be a 1500 dollar type thing. 3k puts it over the ls1 swap parts. And sourcing the engine would put it about the same price as a ls1 swap...

I guess it is up to what you want.

b005td · 09-30-2010, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboTyla

damn this kit looks very on point with its quality. But brackets and oil pan for 3k ? little steep.

But the product looks very good. But still seems to be a 1500 dollar type thing. 3k puts it over the ls1 swap parts. And sourcing the engine would put it about the same price as a ls1 swap...

I guess it is up to what you want.

exactly what i thought

halfdemonpyro · 10-03-2010, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboTyla

damn this kit looks very on point with its quality. But brackets and oil pan for 3k ? little steep.

But the product looks very good. But still seems to be a 1500 dollar type thing. 3k puts it over the ls1 swap parts. And sourcing the engine would put it about the same price as a ls1 swap...

I guess it is up to what you want.

+2

Diamond Dave · 10-07-2010, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboTyla

damn this kit looks very on point with its quality. But brackets and oil pan for 3k ? little steep.

But the product looks very good. But still seems to be a 1500 dollar type thing. 3k puts it over the ls1 swap parts. And sourcing the engine would put it about the same price as a ls1 swap...

There's nothing wrong with the prices for this kit. Looking at the quality, they aren't making any significant margin.

Again, I've said this many times. When we started building my SR20, we were thinking about making a kit. Once we got to a point where the mounts were built and the pan was built, the only reasonable price point was almost even with the V8 kits. I never thought there would be enough interest to justify the effort so we just scrapped the mass production idea.

Not everyone wants a V8 in their Miata and no hybrid swap is for broke dreamers. If you want a proven turbo engine with factory reliability and performance aftermarket and tech support, go with an SR20 (S15 preferrably). If you want to spend less than $10k putting the wrong engine in your car, just turbo your Miata engine.

TurboTyla · 10-12-2010, 05:16 PM

I was not implying that everyone wanted a v8 or that it was a bad kit. Just saying that if it were priced at about 1500- 2000 it would sell like racelands.

I understand all the benefits of having that engine in a miata. I was in no way trying to dog the set up. Was just offering my opinion.

09-14-2010, 11:38 AM	#1 (permalink)
Kyo =^..^= Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: WA, USA Posts: 170	Feeler:SR20DE/T Swap Kit Group Buy Interest? Got the Ok to post from "timallen" so here we go. This is a Feeler thread to see if there would be enough interest in me Doing a Group buy for our Sr20det Miata Swap Package? I am now the U.S.A Distributor for Thai-Phoon Pty Ltd and there wonder full Mount Setup. Some of you have seen this setup in use on Andy's White Miata. and now you can buy it from me right here in the US. PRICE WOULD BE ABOUT (for complete set up, Including mounts and oil pan!) ------------------ Price after Group Buy $3,200 If I get 3 interested party's Price is $3,000 If I get 5 or more interested party's Price is $2,850 INFO (as from Thai-Phoon Pty Ltd website) ------------------ Thai-Phoon Pty Ltd with the assistance of ALLTUNE Engineering have produced an engine install kit to install a Nissan SR20DE or SR20DET engine and Nissan 5-speed manual transmission into a Mazda Miata (MX5). And it is with Great pleasure that I am able to offer there work, for sell here in the USA. The Miata-SR20 Conversion Kit allows for the installation of the Nissan SR20DE and SR20DET engines into the Mazda Miata (MX5).No modification is required to the bonnet of the Miata and only minor modification is required to the firewall to allow clearance for the turbo exhaust outlet.Any of the Nissan SR20 engines are suitable for the conversion. The SR20DE(T) Sump Kit has been designed to specifically clear the front cross member and steering column in the Mazda Miata (MX5). The Sump Kit is an integral part of the conversion. It is the key to allowing the fitment of the SR20DE(T) engine with no cutting to the engine bay or bonnet. If you would like to review the Install Instructions before you commit yourself please PM me for a copy. PHOTO'S ------------------ Set up bolted to Engine and Transmission Eng mounts and PPF bracket Oil Pan Please No neg. Comments or BS in this thread if you have a question not directly concerning the above group buy feeler please feel free to PM me any time. If there is enough interest, I will Start up the Group buy for CR Thank You ~Forrest (Kyo)

09-14-2010, 12:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
jesseclee Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 2,723	Re: Feeler:SR20DE/T Swap Kit Group Buy Interest? Not that I can afford it at the moment, but I just want to say this is an awesome kit!

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1vicissitude brontosaurus Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Anaheim hills, CA Posts: 7,114	Re: Feeler:SR20DE/T Swap Kit Group Buy Interest? Does this allow use of our ppf, or will we have to hard mount the transmission? Any idea if the ka24 will work with this? kit looks nice. Wish I had the funds for this.

09-14-2010, 12:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
Kyo =^..^= Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: WA, USA Posts: 170	Re: Feeler:SR20DE/T Swap Kit Group Buy Interest? jesseclee-- Thanks 1vicissitude-- You retain the use of your PPF. KA24DE / SR20DE / SR20DET Should all work the Same they use the same mounting. The KA does weight a bit more. While with the SR you keep the miata's weight and balance.

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09-14-2010, 02:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kyo =^..^= Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: WA, USA Posts: 170	Re: Feeler:SR20DE/T Swap Kit Group Buy Interest? 1vicissitude--- Like "The White Miata" says I have seen people run Sr oil pans on Ka's but you would need a adapter they do not bolt directly up to each other (KA/SR oil Pans that is) The White Miata--- Any idea where you friend bought his adapter? how much "thickness" did it add? that would be my only concern given this is ment to be bolted directly on to a SR block with no adapter. and the mounts and oil pan are designed to work together to get the best mounting position. Spocknasty-- At least it was at the start of collecting not at the End ... the SR20 is a great motor. definitely gives you something to think about...

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georgesir83 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Yorba linda ,ca Posts: 420	Re: Feeler:SR20DE/T Swap Kit Group Buy Interest? fuuuuuck why didnt u post this like 2 weeks ago i would of done it for sure fuck now i regret buying my canon 7d i would of bought this instead... will u still have this deal in like a month or 2?
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09-15-2010, 12:09 PM	#13 (permalink)
Kyo =^..^= Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: WA, USA Posts: 170	Re: Feeler:SR20DE/T Swap Kit Group Buy Interest? PM's Returned I read the link I do not think that would work with this oil pan. so I would have to say SR20DE/T only 1vicissitude For those Who Asked yes I have AIM you can reach me on it at any time (always on for work) Shinohara89

09-16-2010, 09:40 AM	#14 (permalink)
B-mar Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 552	Re: Feeler:SR20DE/T Swap Kit Group Buy Interest? Your going to need a custom line for your slave because you wont be able to reach it. If you were to do a aftermarket intake manifold you will have to possibly have to run pipping over the rad You also have to shave the bottom of the transmission because it will sit's lower than the oilpan Your going to need a custom drive shaft along with a custom downpipe It requires alot but its a fun swap and well worth it =)
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09-23-2010, 07:36 PM	#17 (permalink)
s!lv!a Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Texas Posts: 505	Re: Feeler:SR20DE/T Swap Kit Group Buy Interest? Man I wanna swap a KA into my miata... hmmm.... And just for the record, the SR with accessories/everything is only ~35-40 lbs lighter than the KA with accessories/everything.. you just have to consider that even though the SR has an aluminum block, it also has a turbo/IC/etc. that the KA doesn't have because it's N/A.. KAFTMFW!! I miss torque...
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B-mar Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 552	Re: Feeler:SR20DE/T Swap Kit Group Buy Interest? It still isnt finished, fitment is pretty bad ass everything looks stock and from under the car. The transmission brace looks like something that belongs on a transformer.
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09-29-2010, 10:52 PM	#22 (permalink)
xdumbxguyx Noob Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 6	Re: Feeler:SR20DE/T Swap Kit Group Buy Interest? u would have to use a miata driveshaft and use an s13 or s14 head and have a driveshaft place weld it and balance it. The 240sx driveshaft has a carrier bearing which miata's dont.
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09-29-2010, 10:53 PM	#23 (permalink)
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09-29-2010, 11:45 PM	#24 (permalink)
Kyo =^..^= Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: WA, USA Posts: 170	Re: Feeler:SR20DE/T Swap Kit Group Buy Interest? while you can hack and weld together old drive shafts in to one New one. The Best Solution is to have a new one piece alum. Drive Shaft Made. most any 4x4 / off road or drive shaft shop can make this for you.. as for turn around , I intend to run the group buy into late Jan. Early Feb. to allow people to save up the cost (maybe use there income tax return) ect. Payment would not be needed in tell group buy closes ( a Deposit however would be needed ), Parts would be ordered at end of group buy. Even If no one takes part in the group buy, I will still be ordering my Stock at that time and you would be able to oder off my website then.. Thank you

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