The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build - Page 3

RedemPhex · 10-09-2011, 11:59 PM

so...is the target 600 before or after you put some things back?

Also, I am pretty sure a nicely done wiretuck (phase 2 in general really) will net you some good gains weight wise.

I would assume you are aiming for more than 600 really so that you can end up there after the cage, seat, and fenders are put back on.

jaredef · 10-10-2011, 01:56 AM

awesome build, err tear down.

sub'd

Conundrum · 10-10-2011, 04:51 AM

Wow thats a lot of weight. Im excited to see the finished product. Keep it up Moti.

Blackbird · 10-10-2011, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedemPhex

so...is the target 600 before or after you put some things back?

Also, I am pretty sure a nicely done wiretuck (phase 2 in general really) will net you some good gains weight wise.

I would assume you are aiming for more than 600 really so that you can end up there after the cage, seat, and fenders are put back on.

I'm looking to lose as much as possible within a reasonable amount of work at this phase, simply because I do have a time frame that I'd like to stick to.

My initial goal was to lose 600 before the cage and seats go in, which will put me at roughly 450-470 lbs. lighter than before after it's all done.
Not too shabby considering I have yet to take any measures such as purchasing a lightweight trunk lid or fenders.
BTW, I only weigh stuff that isn't going back on the car, so things like the fenders that were temporarily removed or the stock intake were never factored into the total.

Of course, I won't be too sad if I got 620 out of there during phase 1...

Phase 2 is all about the things that take a bunch of time to do like you said the wiring harness and such.
There's definitely more in there, but it does require a good bit of time to get done.

I'll take a pic later of the fender gap, it's hilarious!
With all the weight removed you can stick a cup of coffee between the rear fender and the tire

.

Moti

RedemPhex · 10-10-2011, 10:18 AM

Moti, I am sure you have dealt with this multiple times..but how do you remove that crap on the floor board and transtunnel? its like rubber/sticky stuff and I think it used to block heat. It looks ugly as shit as my insulation stuck to it and now my shoes dig into it when driving.

blindboxx2334 · 10-10-2011, 10:36 AM

^dry ice

Blackbird · 10-10-2011, 11:05 AM

Dry ice is a good way to take care of that as the poster above me said.
Once you freeze it it chips off rather easily.
There's always the option of using wire wheel too and wipe off the remainder with WD-40.

I haven't removed any of it in this car yet, planning on dry icing it.

Moti

Blackbird · 10-10-2011, 08:26 PM

Holy fender gap, batman!

Moti

RedemPhex · 10-10-2011, 08:54 PM

hehe...thats some potential for ya!

Rdrcr · 10-11-2011, 10:25 AM

I'm guessing that the wheel gap is the proof that you have, in fact, removed a lot of weight.

Mike

Blackbird · 10-11-2011, 11:30 AM

Exactly.
Any time you take a chunk of weight out the car your springs have less to carry, therefore they don't compress as much as they did before.

Most of the materials for the cage are already in, I'm still waiting on some tubes that I had to put a special order for because they aren't very common.
The cage will be constructed using 4 different thicknesses of tubing, making it stiff and light.

Moti

urban · 10-11-2011, 12:13 PM

dang you move fast.
what are your plans for the wind screen?
will it be just a lip EP style , or some sort of Speeder style screen?

Moti is really awesome with innovation and his Fab skills have come along way from the times of the Blackbird. Moti was barely getting a taste then .one of the treats you get from a visit are checking out his Locost. full custom Fabrication. totally awesome

Blackbird · 10-11-2011, 12:27 PM

There will be an EP style cover on the section between the back of the hood to the front hoop of the cage, there's a big gap there as the hoop is probably about a foot back from the hood on center.

As for the visor, I plan on experimenting with a couple different options to see what works best once you're at speed.
Driving with open cockpit car is a fantastic experience, but can be a bit tiresome if your helmet gets shaky because of the wind.
Driving my friend's RSR I could barely see where I was going above 90 because of trouble focusing my vision with the vibrations from the helmet.
An aero helmet helps a lot, but even a small deflector just ahead of the steering wheel can make a huge difference.

Moti

jaredef · 10-11-2011, 12:30 PM

I. love. this. build.

s0verybored211 · 10-12-2011, 12:41 AM

Did you sell the RBII front from blackbird? I ended up buying one with Aero like yours, had a crack in the middle, and a giant hole right above one of the inlets on the drivers side.

Blackbird · 10-12-2011, 09:47 AM

I sold it to Shaikh from Fat Cat Motorsports, and I know that later on he sold the car, not sure where it has been since then..
Post a pic.

Moti

s0verybored211 · 10-12-2011, 12:23 PM

Ah, so it did make its way up to norcal.

I don't have pictures of it as I bought it. I got it mainly because it was an RBII and it was cheap. I took off the side aero (it was nicely made) no splitter but the holes needed to be filled.

Anyways, I really dig the speeder look. It goes well with the NB's looks.

RedemPhex · 10-12-2011, 12:38 PM

Mazda made an NB speeder. They show it off at car shows!

s0verybored211 · 10-12-2011, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedemPhex

Mazda made an NB speeder. They show it off at car shows!

Yup, I've seen a couple of them. I definitely prefer the NB speedster look to the NA speedster.

ThePass · 10-12-2011, 12:43 PM

I remember back in the day I dropped by Shaikh's place and walking by his BRG I noticed the Blackbird's louvered hood - I don't think the front bumper was on the car yet, but I immediately recognized what car that hood had come from, and Shaikh confirmed that he had jumped on it when it went up for sale.

Blackbird · 10-12-2011, 01:36 PM

A thousand words.
Shaikh's BRG with the bumper, hood and mirrors of the Blackbird.

Moti

RedemPhex · 10-12-2011, 01:42 PM

that thing has some serious fender work. were are the flares to cover the ugly? I see the 222 doesn't like getting peeled off either!

ThePass · 10-12-2011, 01:58 PM

Back in the day I co-drove that car with Shaikh. At the time he was running V710s on 14x7s. We decided to swap between his wheels/tires and mine which were Hoosier R6s on 13x8s. It was a lot of fun comparing the differences and I think the biggest thing he noted was the additional stability from the wider setup... fast forward a bit and he decided to start running the car competetively in SM and the logical choice was to fit the widest rubber possible, so he chopped the fenders up and began test-fitting... but I've never seen the car with flares on it, and I don't know if it ever got the flares and 15x10s that were planned...

That was a fun car to drive though.. 240whp, and the full FCM treatment to the suspension - external reservoirs for the shocks, etc.

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Blackbird · 10-12-2011, 03:09 PM

Shaikh also bought my 16x10 Kodiaks, I don't think they ever made it past the test fitting stage though.

Ryan, start going back to old threads and deleting posts that aren't really important to lower your post count again

Moti

s0verybored211 · 10-12-2011, 11:10 PM

Yup thats the bumper I bought. I can see the crack and I remember scrubbing off the residue from the numbers. Had I known it was from such an awesome track car I would have kept it.

qax · 10-13-2011, 03:54 PM

what new suspension are you thinking, moti?
would spring preload be a concern with that much weight gone?

comegetsome · 10-13-2011, 05:39 PM

love this. will be watching for sure.

Blackbird · 10-17-2011, 05:33 PM

All the different cage tubes are here!
Weight gone down 10 Lbs. more, so now we're at -560 Lbs.

Moti

Blackbird · 10-18-2011, 05:20 PM

Getting close!
The car is now 593 Lbs. down and the 600 Lbs. goal appears to be not only completely acheiveable, but even too low.
I'm thinking something like 635-640 for phase 1 is realistic, we'll see.

Moti

1vicissitude · 10-18-2011, 05:38 PM

Wow that is awesome. I'm excited to see how much weight you get out of this.

10-09-2011, 11:59 PM	#61 (permalink)
RedemPhex Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: NC Posts: 2,325	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build so...is the target 600 before or after you put some things back? Also, I am pretty sure a nicely done wiretuck (phase 2 in general really) will net you some good gains weight wise. I would assume you are aiming for more than 600 really so that you can end up there after the cage, seat, and fenders are put back on.

10-10-2011, 10:18 AM	#65 (permalink)
RedemPhex Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: NC Posts: 2,325	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build Moti, I am sure you have dealt with this multiple times..but how do you remove that crap on the floor board and transtunnel? its like rubber/sticky stuff and I think it used to block heat. It looks ugly as shit as my insulation stuck to it and now my shoes dig into it when driving.

10-10-2011, 10:36 AM	#66 (permalink)
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10-10-2011, 11:05 AM	#67 (permalink)
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10-10-2011, 08:26 PM	#68 (permalink)
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10-10-2011, 08:54 PM	#69 (permalink)
RedemPhex Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: NC Posts: 2,325	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build hehe...thats some potential for ya!

10-11-2011, 10:25 AM	#70 (permalink)
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10-11-2011, 11:30 AM	#71 (permalink)
Blackbird Junior Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northridge, CA Posts: 1,099	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build Exactly. Any time you take a chunk of weight out the car your springs have less to carry, therefore they don't compress as much as they did before. Most of the materials for the cage are already in, I'm still waiting on some tubes that I had to put a special order for because they aren't very common. The cage will be constructed using 4 different thicknesses of tubing, making it stiff and light. Moti
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10-11-2011, 12:13 PM	#72 (permalink)
urban Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 4,295	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build dang you move fast. what are your plans for the wind screen? will it be just a lip EP style , or some sort of Speeder style screen? Moti is really awesome with innovation and his Fab skills have come along way from the times of the Blackbird. Moti was barely getting a taste then .one of the treats you get from a visit are checking out his Locost. full custom Fabrication. totally awesome
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10-11-2011, 12:27 PM	#73 (permalink)
Blackbird Junior Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northridge, CA Posts: 1,099	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build There will be an EP style cover on the section between the back of the hood to the front hoop of the cage, there's a big gap there as the hoop is probably about a foot back from the hood on center. As for the visor, I plan on experimenting with a couple different options to see what works best once you're at speed. Driving with open cockpit car is a fantastic experience, but can be a bit tiresome if your helmet gets shaky because of the wind. Driving my friend's RSR I could barely see where I was going above 90 because of trouble focusing my vision with the vibrations from the helmet. An aero helmet helps a lot, but even a small deflector just ahead of the steering wheel can make a huge difference. Moti
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10-12-2011, 12:41 AM	#75 (permalink)
s0verybored211 <3s Malaking Puwit. Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fairfield, CA Posts: 536	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build Did you sell the RBII front from blackbird? I ended up buying one with Aero like yours, had a crack in the middle, and a giant hole right above one of the inlets on the drivers side.
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10-12-2011, 09:47 AM	#76 (permalink)
Blackbird Junior Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northridge, CA Posts: 1,099	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build I sold it to Shaikh from Fat Cat Motorsports, and I know that later on he sold the car, not sure where it has been since then.. Post a pic. Moti
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10-12-2011, 12:23 PM	#77 (permalink)
s0verybored211 <3s Malaking Puwit. Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fairfield, CA Posts: 536	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build Ah, so it did make its way up to norcal. I don't have pictures of it as I bought it. I got it mainly because it was an RBII and it was cheap. I took off the side aero (it was nicely made) no splitter but the holes needed to be filled. Anyways, I really dig the speeder look. It goes well with the NB's looks.
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10-12-2011, 12:38 PM	#78 (permalink)
RedemPhex Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: NC Posts: 2,325	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build Mazda made an NB speeder. They show it off at car shows!

10-12-2011, 12:43 PM	#80 (permalink)
ThePass Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,301	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build I remember back in the day I dropped by Shaikh's place and walking by his BRG I noticed the Blackbird's louvered hood - I don't think the front bumper was on the car yet, but I immediately recognized what car that hood had come from, and Shaikh confirmed that he had jumped on it when it went up for sale.
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10-12-2011, 01:42 PM	#82 (permalink)
RedemPhex Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: NC Posts: 2,325	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build that thing has some serious fender work. were are the flares to cover the ugly? I see the 222 doesn't like getting peeled off either!

10-12-2011, 01:58 PM	#83 (permalink)
ThePass Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,301	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build Back in the day I co-drove that car with Shaikh. At the time he was running V710s on 14x7s. We decided to swap between his wheels/tires and mine which were Hoosier R6s on 13x8s. It was a lot of fun comparing the differences and I think the biggest thing he noted was the additional stability from the wider setup... fast forward a bit and he decided to start running the car competetively in SM and the logical choice was to fit the widest rubber possible, so he chopped the fenders up and began test-fitting... but I've never seen the car with flares on it, and I don't know if it ever got the flares and 15x10s that were planned... That was a fun car to drive though.. 240whp, and the full FCM treatment to the suspension - external reservoirs for the shocks, etc. EDIT: I can never post again!!!! I must keep my post count exactly where it is!!! -Ryan
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10-12-2011, 03:09 PM	#84 (permalink)
Blackbird Junior Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northridge, CA Posts: 1,099	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build Shaikh also bought my 16x10 Kodiaks, I don't think they ever made it past the test fitting stage though. Ryan, start going back to old threads and deleting posts that aren't really important to lower your post count again Moti
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10-12-2011, 11:10 PM	#85 (permalink)
s0verybored211 <3s Malaking Puwit. Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fairfield, CA Posts: 536	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build Yup thats the bumper I bought. I can see the crack and I remember scrubbing off the residue from the numbers. Had I known it was from such an awesome track car I would have kept it.
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10-13-2011, 03:54 PM	#86 (permalink)
qax Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SoCal 626 Posts: 119	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build what new suspension are you thinking, moti? would spring preload be a concern with that much weight gone?

10-13-2011, 05:39 PM	#87 (permalink)
comegetsome Jr. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 86	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build love this. will be watching for sure.

10-17-2011, 05:33 PM	#88 (permalink)
Blackbird Junior Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northridge, CA Posts: 1,099	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build All the different cage tubes are here! Weight gone down 10 Lbs. more, so now we're at -560 Lbs. Moti
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10-18-2011, 05:20 PM	#89 (permalink)
Blackbird Junior Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northridge, CA Posts: 1,099	Re: The Blackbird Fabworx NB track build Getting close! The car is now 593 Lbs. down and the 600 Lbs. goal appears to be not only completely acheiveable, but even too low. I'm thinking something like 635-640 for phase 1 is realistic, we'll see. Moti
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