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Today 11:34 AM
aidandj
Re: Official PDX Lounge

I was a pretty nice ego boost passing an r32 a couple times, and new 5.0s and STIs.
Today 11:33 AM
oregonmon
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Oh jesus.
Today 11:23 AM
aidandj
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Not a single instructor. There was a guy out there in an ETS GTR. Got black flagged twice. In intermediate not a single person knew the racing line. I'll post up some video. But you could tell that most of the intermediate class had never been on a track.
Today 10:12 AM
oregonmon
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No instructors, even for novice? How do they know the racing line? How anything?
Today 08:50 AM
curly
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Ben you bring up a good point. I'm not worried about the track night, sounds like a BS event. I am worried about getting in one of these cars as an instructor and them knowing fuck all about track driving, but think they're masters.
Today 07:18 AM
stormin'norman
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Shoot. Tough time. I was wondering what those events were like. Apparently the last one was maybe a bit better according to a friend of mine with an NC.
Today 02:10 AM
notbenh
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Originally Posted by aidandj View Post
I came off a bit harsh. For a beginner it would be fun. But there was no instructions, no rule following, etc etc.

Ended up having a decent time. Ended up next to Ed for the 3rd session but then the trans went.
I'm glad that you got some good time in but I think that the way that this event is run is not really a good event for noobs exactly because of the no instruction. The only thing that this event is good at (in it's current state) is those of us that have done a few laps and know what we need to do and want to get better. Thus we don't strictly need some one in the passenger seat, we just need track time. But the =WHOLE F-ING POINT= of this event is the exact antithesis of this need/desire, so it's almost like we are set up to fail. Just as much as the noobs that go out, stomp there audi/mustang/whateever down the straights and feel like a bad-ass but then decide that this is a hobby that they want to invest in and get flummoxed when the rules change and there are more flags and this whole idea of track etiquette that is never even mentioned let alone encouraged in the event that, by design, is strictly novice focused.

So really I am kinda torn, I like the idea of having a ground school where any one can show up and get a feel for the track. But honestly to make this work you need to hold them by the hand and explain to them what 'track' really means. Other wise this is just a way to pay to be an ass hat and get away with it.

==ben rant off for the night==
Today 01:56 AM
notbenh Since I kinda started this drunken rant I'll reply too (only fair), you make a lot of good points so I wanna reply in kind so lets do that:

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Yeah, I also had a shitty time at the track night in America event at PIR because people cant follow simple rules they tell you over and over.
I am sorry that you had a shitty time, I know that I didn't cause it but hell I can be empathetic. Track time should at very least be productive if not enjoyable. SCCA should have done better, that is a failing on the organization (of which I am a member) as well as all of us there that could have voiced our concern. If I'm still as pissed as I am now in the morning (very very very likely) then I'll be writing an email to voice my concern on how the event is run at PIR. I don't want to dish on Eric because I did not really give him a chance to fix things but more a general concern for the way that the event is run. If you wanna join in the fun feel free. There is a 'Contact' link on the event page. Sadly, the only way we can make it better is to complain.


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Also we were only allowed to pass on the front straight. I will say my last run of the day was good though.
I am so happy to hear that you got a few good runs in, the =whole point= of TrackNight in America is to be a fun event that has a lower barrier to entry than the typical track day, for example, you can generally still work at very least a half day and still make TrackNight but to make an Alfa or BMW group you have to take a full day. Though having fun and getting a feel for the track and getting good runs in, learning how you and the car work, that's the reason why these events are held at all. I am so happy to hear that you got some good time in tonight.

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I was dealing with the whole get stuck behind someone in the corners and I cant pass on the straights bs.
You and me both. I think one of the larger failings of this event that is mitigated in other groups is that hp does not always equate to higher skill level. There was some interesting juggling that went on tonight, for example that McLaren jumped from Novice to Advanced. Sure he was able to keep up but again knowing a line and being able to pilot your Audi (EHEM) is far more indicative of what run group you should be in. Other groups that run events do a far better job of taking the first session as a feeler and juggling you as needed based on your skill level, not your ability to ace out a miata on any straight.

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Worth $150? I guess, but discourages me from doing track days if I will just get stuck behind someone.
Are the other club days like BMW or AUDI better? How do they deal with giving all the drivers space to go all out?
This is the part that saddens me the most, no the $150 [in my opinion] that I spent tonight is in no way, shape, or form a fair deal when compared to what you get with any other group that I have run with. Yes I chose to dip out early, but I have done Alpha, BMW and CSCC TrackDays as well as the SCCA TrackNight. First off, you get more track time, generally 4 sessions for about $200-ish, depending on group, but what you get in return is at least an option for instructor and an event that is run with integrity and humility to both the volunteers that are running the whole show and the patrons that pay the bill. Instead of a rush to end the session (like tonight) you end up [generally] a full 20 minutes session, and you get at least 4 rather than 3. So sure you can easily do the math and ask is $50 worth another run? Now would that math change if you knew that you'll get the full time that you paid for and be treated like a partner in making this event fun and educational for all?
Today 01:42 AM
aidandj
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I came off a bit harsh. For a beginner it would be fun. But there was no instructions, no rule following, etc etc.

Ended up having a decent time. Ended up next to Ed for the 3rd session but then the trans went.
Today 01:34 AM
oregonmon
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Wow, not good feedback. I was waiting for an alternator that got delivered today so I couldn't make it. Actually probably could have made it as I got it in at 3pm.
Glad I didn't go now, I guess Martin was right.

I was going to straight to advanced, thinking that might be the case.
Today 01:31 AM
aidandj
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They don't stuff 40 fucking people onto a track. Do not compare track nights to real track days.
Today 01:27 AM
RyanM
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Yeah, I also had a shitty time at the track night in America event at PIR because people cant follow simple rules they tell you over and over. Also we were only allowed to pass on the front straight. I will say my last run of the day was good though. I was dealing with the whole get stuck behind someone in the corners and I cant pass on the straights bs. Worth $150? I guess, but discourages me from doing track days if I will just get stuck behind someone.
Are the other club days like BMW or AUDI better? How do they deal with giving all the drivers space to go all out?
Today 12:48 AM
aidandj
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1990 Turbo 3rd Gear Gone:
Today 12:34 AM
notbenh
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That was a fucking shit show. I'm never doing another track night. Destroyed a 5 speed though. Woo.

People in intermediate that were asking what a passing zone was. I was 6 seconds off my pace from BMW club.
Ya I'm on GnT #2 for the evening because ... yeah, that happened. I love the ~idea~ as well at the ~intent~ of the TrackNight but having a shitty time twice now I'm giving up SCCA's TrackNight the implementation.

Aidandj, Sucks that you had 'so much fun' that you borked a 5 speed. Please tell me it's an awesome story, if not make it an awesome story and get back to me in the morning .
Today 12:25 AM
aidandj
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That was a fucking shit show. I'm never doing another track night. Destroyed a 5 speed though. Woo.

People in intermediate that were asking what a passing zone was. I was 6 seconds off my pace from BMW club.
Today 12:23 AM
notbenh
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So the good news is that OMGPONIES those Cobat's are AMAZEBALLZ!! I now have more breaks than I have tires. Thankfully I only locked everything up once but ya... new pads = completely different breaking zones. Thank you to all that suggested that I just pony up and get the good stuff... you know who you are

Sadly the bad news is that I had the track rage tonight and called it early tonight so far less practice than I paid for. Guess that just means that I need to run with a real group to get a feel for how the car is set up currently. Good feedback from a pal that rode along in the passenger seat though he's running an STI so we're getting to the point where STI vs Miata differences are really the only feedback... guess that just means that I need to find other passengers.
Yesterday 01:46 PM
notbenh
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Those are 1.6 brackets.
**facepalm** apparently I do need coffee today!
Yesterday 01:44 PM
aidandj
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Those are 1.6 brackets.
Yesterday 01:37 PM
notbenh
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Originally Posted by stormin'norman View Post
NB. I just bought new 1.6 pads so I'll hang tight for a while longer.

Thanks though
NP, stay awesome!
Yesterday 01:36 PM
stormin'norman
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NB. I just bought new 1.6 pads so I'll hang tight for a while longer.

Thanks though
Yesterday 01:27 PM
notbenh
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Martin and Nial, you two still looking for 1.8 brake bits: http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/28-...rage-sale.html
Yesterday 12:09 PM
Diamond Dave
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Mazdaspeed protege. Small mods, 167/167. Boring looking power curve but 60 more hp than smurf, so I can't complain.
Albany pick and pull has a blue MP3 with a mostly complete interior and it was relatively unmolested two weeks ago.
Yesterday 09:59 AM
Sploinkin
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concealer404 convinced me to get an 89 mx6 GT. Living dat derpy turbo life now.
Yesterday 09:29 AM
oregonmon
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What new car Conner?
07-02-2015 05:06 PM
aidandj
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Sweet see you there
07-02-2015 05:02 PM
notbenh
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What group are you running in.
Intermediate
07-02-2015 04:59 PM
aidandj
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What group are you running in.
07-02-2015 04:18 PM
notbenh
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Anybody going to the track night tomorrow?
Ya I'll be there, its been too long since I've been out on track. +shakes fist+ at work.
07-02-2015 03:58 PM
Sploinkin
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I should take my new car there, It has auto adjusting suspension so you know the sport mode means business.
07-02-2015 03:57 PM
99blkx
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I am not but I'm registering for the track night on 8/12. It will be my first time on an actual track and it's the ridge. I am excite.
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